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Genz-Benz Shuttle Megathread: Part II

#323
whodom said:
Played my first gig with my 3.0-10 combo last night. We played an outdoor neighborhood party; I paired it with an Avatar 1x12 and had a little PA support. The sound was awesome and the volume level was more than adequate (with a LOUD drummer and two guitarists). I played my G&L L2000 (for the first time in a while) for the first set and was very happy with the sound. I switched to my Wal Mach II for the second set. I was amazed how just a couple of clicks of the upper mid knob changed the tone from "aggressive" to "mellow". The tone controls are really well designed.

I'm most impressed by the amazing clarity of the treble on this amp without the slightest hint of harshness. I've never been able to get that tone in an amp before.

Another major thumbs up for the Shuttle!
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I see that you have the 3.0-10T and are also using an Avatar 1x12 external cabinet...I'm loving the tone out of my 3.0-10T, but it can't punch through the band on its own.

As a result, I'm considering an external cabinet since the single 10 gets drowned out. With PA support I have thunder, but I would like for the amp to stand on it's own for when I won't have PA support.

Do you find that your combination (3.0 w/10 + Avatar 112) will cut through the rest of the band even if you didn't have that PA support? Or would you go to a 212? Or should I just find a way to get into a Shuttle 6.0?

Thanks for any input!

Brandt Barretto

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Da Gear!

'90 Fender Jazz Bass Plus
Genz-Benz Shuttle 3.0-10T
Zoom B2.1u multi-effects
 
#324
The 3.0 should shove a NEOx212 cabinet very well. Most of my work is handled by the 6.0/212 and I never miss anything tonaly or volume wise. It is a perfect combination. A 3.0/10 combo is a good setup but if I were gonna add a cabinet to it I would add a NEOx112. The NEOx112 is the best sounding 115 cab I have ever used. This is however just my opinion.
 
#325
Fretlessboy said:
TA 3.0/10 combo is a good setup but if I were gonna add a cabinet to it I would add a NEOx112. The NEOx112 is the best sounding 115 cab I have ever used. This is however just my opinion.
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You're right, the NEOX 112 is the best sounding 115 I've ever heard!!!:D


Seriously, that little cab is silly good sounding and loud.
 
#334
Just had to chime in here.

I just did a trade over the weekend letting go of my Markbass LMII for a Shuttle 6.0. The amps are very similar with the LMII having a slight edge in overall warmth IMO. I found myself missing the tube front end and the GB tone stack. I will say that the LMII is a sweet amp and I'll probably get another someday, but I just plain like the 6.0 better.

I pushed the 6.0 through one of my cabs (Ashdown ABM 414T 4 ohm) at home last night and was very surprised at how much air that head moved. Quite alot of bottom even though the Ashdown only does about 70hz. The 6.0 sounds great with that 410 cab. I can't wait to get the amp on my Ampeg 410HLF and see how it sounds.

The sound is very close tonewise to my GBE1200 and I think the 6.0 almost has just a bit more grind in the tube channel than my 1200. I'm thinking of picking up a neo cab to go along with it (the never ending GAS).

Again, another great amp from Genz Benz. The best thing is, now I own two GB amps :bassist:
 
#336
I'm almost certain that a Shuttle 6.0 into a 210 is not going to be adequate for ANY metal band, unless the guitarists happen to play through small combos. Even if you get the 6.0, you are going to want as many drivers as possible, and you are probably going to need all the available output from the amp (i.e. you want a 4-ohm total load).

Asad
 
#337
I just bought a 6.0 that I'm using with a Epi UL310. KILLER. Being 58 and having been dealing with amps since I was 19, the Shuttle's size and weight is nothing short of scary. It may be the lightest piece of gear I own. As for tone and power, I've been using a SVP-Pro->Plx1202 for comparison. I usually use the SVP with all the controls set flat and the drive turned off. The shuttle sounds the closest to this with the deep switch engaged, the bass turned down to about 10:00 the mids set flat and the treble set at 10:00. The SVP is tuby'r of course but, not as much as you might think at this EQ setting. Powerwise the 1202 is 1200 watts at 4 ohms and the Shuttle is 600. 3db difference and at that volume is really hard for me to hear and I doubt if my speaker can really produce a difference. So, I've replace 35lbs and 3 rack spaces with 3.75 lbs and 1.5 rack spaces for the cost of the SVP alone. Time to sell some gear....:)
 
#338
basshero1107 said:
ok. so i am in a metal band and i need a very small but powerful amp. the 6.0 was an obvious choice. BUT, is the 210 the best way to go for crazy power? should i look at other cabs besides genz benz?
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Right now I'm doing a classic/hard rock based original project three piece with a guitarist who's using a 100 watt marshall half stack with a Marshall 412 and a Fender Deville for clean tones.

I recently traded a Markbass LMII for a Shuttle 6.0 and have used it three or four times so far at practice. We rough out the tunes, then rehearse them at stage volume so I get to push the Shuttle nice and loud. I run the Shuttle 6.0 through an Ampeg 410HLF and it keeps up with his stuff pretty good. I push the 6.0 hard with the output clip light on somewhat and the limiter kicking in steady but the sound is very punchy and breaks up just enough with my 08 P bass to get a real nice growl for any rock stuff. Don't let the red output clip light fool you, the Shuttle 6.0 kicks butt even when that red light blinks on and off. IMO if that red clip light isn't coming on from time to time, you need to push the head harder as it really starts to open up when pushed. The limiters in the GB amps are very unique in that they are designed to allow the head to break up in a smooth and musical sounding way.

This is just my opinion, but if you're doing metal with guitarists who are using 100 watt full or half stacks then 600 watts and a efficient 410 cab would be the MINIMUM I would consider. Remember, you need to get the Shuttle down to 4 ohms to get the full power. It won't do 2 ohms, so you're stuck with one cabinet if you go 4 ohms.

For larger live gigs, I use my Genz GBE1200 through the Ampeg along with an Ashdown ABM 414T to get the full 1200 watts and down to two ohms. It's alot of power, but I use the watts more for headroom than volume. Also if we do a gig where there is minimal PA support from the house system, I can carry the room with my stage rig.
 
#339
I compared the shuttle 6.0 to my Peavey Pro Bass 500 in a preactice session with my punkrock Band (Link Removed) and it sounded really nice. It lacked a bit in terms of the bottom end, but I have to admit I was a little scared to run it with the clipping light flashing all the time.

I played it via a custom cabinet made by House of Speakers, which is a 2x10+ 15+ 6-Combination with sica-neodyium-speakers, running at 4 Ohms.

The peavey seems to have more power than the GB. To get the same volume the peavey delivers at about 10 o´clock i had to turn the master up to 3/4 at the GB.

As the handling of the GB is much better than the tweaky peavey (lots of knobs), do you think it is problematic to push the GB into clipping constantly?

As an alternative i thought about gettin a 4x12 Neo. Did anyone try the shuttle with something like this?
 

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