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Genz-Benz Shuttle Megathread: Part II

#102
I posted this on the other mega thread but wanted everyone to hear the good news!!

I pulled the trigger!

Ordered the shuttle 6.0-210T combo! I was originally looking for a portable practice rig that could cover a small/mid sized club and provide stage monitoring with PA support. I think this is it.

I wanted to get the neox212 but portability was a major factor, along with the fact some people were saying it's a sound monster and that it could give you a headache from the air moving in a small room. Our practice areas maybe 20x24 ft and every inch covered in sound foam. Not sure how it would have worked out there.

I really like the small 210T cab in the combo; I'll be adding a neox112. Maybe a pair of Neox112's to be completely flexible. Adding a Neox112 under it, it should rock.

The Neox210's (not the same as the 210T combo cab) price, weight and size are about the same as the Neox212 cab. I'm sure it sounds good but if I were going to spend the extra $$ and move the weight I'd go with the Neox212.

P.S. Already got the gig bag for the shuttle head, a good laptop bag?
 
#105
Eublet said:
EDIT: I also use it every Sunday in a gospel setting. Urban, shout, R&B, hip-hop, etc.

For that I boost lows to around 2-3, mid-frequency around 11, mids at 1, highs around 1, and sometimes I engage the LF boost. This produces a very BIG, thick bottom that is on the modern side. It's great for gospel, slap, etc. Works like a champ.
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Jason, when you engage the LF boost at a moderate or better volume do you need to back off your "2-3" lows setting? Does this added boost ever cause clipping if you don't back off the bass or volume level?
 
#106
saltymonkey said:
Jason, when you engage the LF boost at a moderate or better volume do you need to back off your "2-3" lows setting? Does this added boost ever cause clipping if you don't back off the bass or volume level?
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Usually if I engage the LF, it's during a gospel song where I need to drive it as the feature instrument. IMO, if you engage the LF without boosting lows and low-mids, it sounds boomy. Not muddy, just boomy. But if you engage the lows and low-mids to keep up with the added "boom" it just sounds thicker. I've been running lows consistantly in the 2-3 o'clock range for a few months now. Where things change is the frequency of the low-mid. I boost low-mids to 1 o'clock, maybe 1:30. Withouth the LF engaged, I set the frequency around 200 hz to fatten the bottom. With the LF engaged ,I run the low-mid around 600-800 hz to get more mid grind to compensate for the bigger sub frequencies. It seems to work very well for me and the basses I'm playing. But all this is for gospel, R&B, motown tunes.

On my latin gigs, where there's lots of samba, tumbao, mambo, etc. I don't engage the LF at all. I'll run the lows around 1 o'clock, and add a bit more low-mid to make the bass stick out.

Rock gigs can be anywhere depending on the song and the bass.

Hope that helps!
 
#107
Oh, and as for clipping, typically no clipping this way. I'm running my 212/112 in tandem mostly these days on the gospel stuff, so there's plenty of speaker to get my tone out. Neo-pak I would estimate is pushing around 50-75% of capacity. The light never even flashes.

I did get some slight flashing outdoors a few weeks ago during some motown and gospel stuff. The soft limiter made it sound great though, rounding out the notes and transients so that it had a good old-school vibe. I often take the Neo-pak instead of the 1200 just for that reason, so that I can drive the Neo-pak harder and get the tonal benefit.
 
#108
Eublet said:
Usually if I engage the LF, it's during a gospel song where I need to drive it as the feature instrument. IMO, if you engage the LF without boosting lows and low-mids, it sounds boomy. Not muddy, just boomy. But if you engage the lows and low-mids to keep up with the added "boom" it just sounds thicker. I've been running lows consistantly in the 2-3 o'clock range for a few months now. Where things change is the frequency of the low-mid. I boost low-mids to 1 o'clock, maybe 1:30. Withouth the LF engaged, I set the frequency around 2 hz to fatten the bottom. With the LF engaged ,I run the low-mid around 600-800 hz to get more mid grind to compensate for the bigger sub frequencies. It seems to work very well for me and the basses I'm playing. But all this is for gospel, R&B, motown tunes.

On my latin gigs, where there's lots of samba, tumbao, mambo, etc. I don't engage the LF at all. I'll run the lows around 1 o'clock, and add a bit more low-mid to make the bass stick out.

Rock gigs can be anywhere depending on the song and the bass.

Hope that helps!
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wow, you're spot on with some of your observations about LF vs. boosting lows etc. I wish we had the time and forum to address some of this.

It is very "application specific" depending on venue, style of music and the bass. Side note: Today, I just got a Fender Marcus Miller 5 string. Very different eq'ing than my Mike Lulls and Laklands.
 
#109
Edit: I changed my post above. I meant to say 200 hz, not 2 hz! :D

Definitely bass-specific, Rog.

I've been playing a G&L L2500 lately, and it took some getting used to in terms of EQ. That bass can be a bit thick sounding on it's own, so I have to watch the low end. But, it has a very nice aggressive growl on it's own, so finding the right frequency to bring that out or hide it while not screwing up the low-end took some time, maybe 30 minutes spread over 2 or 3 rehearsals/gigs.

This all applies to the Neo-pak where you can't control the filters beyond engaging/disengaging them. On the GBE 1200, it might be a little different. But with the Neo-pak, and I'm assuming the Shuttle, you might have to cut boost on the EQ to get the tone you're after once you use the switches. Since the LF is a bit much on it's own for what I'm going for, I just bump a few other things to help catch up, and I'm in business. (I didn't use the LF at ALL for a long time just b/c I didn't know how to compensate for it.) These days, I think of the filters more like attitude switches than I do EQ buttons. It gets me out of one ballpark and into another, then I sculpt my sound from there.

Tangent: I love semi-para EQ's for all the reasons above. I can find something that works with most any bass. Even with the single para for mids on the Neo-pak, I just feel like I can control things better in the long run.
 
#112
I myself have found that as I get more familiar with the Genz tone I use the bass boost less and and less (ie it isn't on all the time).
Side note: the more I play the 3.0/8 combo the more I like it. It is definately not a sleeper. I did a "pseudo clinic" at a store in Md on tuesday with Steve and it still blows me away everytime I play that little sucker. I am hoping this store carries the shuttle line and I think they are on board with it. Hoping they go for the series and and a hand full of the correct extensions.
 
#113
UPS delivered my 3.0-10 combo yesterday! So far big thumbs up. I was looking for a more full range sound than my trusty GK microbass combo and this thing delivers.
I got it from TB sponsor Rocket Music. Same day shipping and 5% discount to TBer's (I saved $40)!
 
#116
Sorry I missed that! I just got mine in yesterday (3.0-10t) from MusiciansFriend. It's a fantastic piece of kit! I can't imagine how GK will possibly sell another MicroBass amp with this thing out in the world. I literally thought the shipping carton was empty when I picked it up!

Messed around with my upright in my living room, and it sounds fantastic. I'm sure it will be great on its own for jazz combo work. I'll get a 1x12 for electric work if I ever start playing electric again. I found the parametric mid very easy to use and quite helpful. Fit and finish is top notch -- clearly a quality piece of equipment. Thanks, GB!

basss said:
UPS delivered my 3.0-10 combo yesterday! So far big thumbs up. I was looking for a more full range sound than my trusty GK microbass combo and this thing delivers.
I got it from TB sponsor Rocket Music. Same day shipping and 5% discount to TBer's (I saved $40)!
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#117
WOW!!!

Just picked up my GB Shuttle 6.0 112T yesterday right here in home town... pays to shop around. They only had the one and I scooped it.
This little things a KILLER! Love it!

Special kudos and thanks to Dennis for his advise and pointing me in the right direction!

Looking forward to the fellowship and learning here at this forum.
 
#119
dangit! I was perfectly happy with my GBE750 and NeoX212. Love the tone, love the look, love the power. This is the 1st time I've even been in the amps section in months. And now I see GB has an amp that looks like it's 90% of what I love about the 750, at 10% of the weight (the one thing I don't like about it...), and for a very reasonable price.

My GAS hasn't flared up since last summer. My rig was the best setup I've ever had the pleasure of playing through. Now I see this amp, and it looks like it cures the one thing about my amp I'm not 100% thrilled with...

grrrrrr... I was so happy without GAS...
 

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