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Genz Benz Streamliner; Part 4

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This is what I have been waiting to hear Lomo after we both blew up the Avatar 153 Thread! I am waiting on my ST 900 from YOMS (been over 2 weeks total, but I switched from a 600 to 900?) and cant wait to hear it thru the Avatar. in the meantime, I still LOVE my Genz Benz Shutlemax 6.0.

Sidenote: Mooch; Sorry for the bunk advice dude regarding the 3015 LF 15" Driver and thank you for the clarification Chef!
If you can swing it, I would recommend an Avatar TB 153 for your needs. It is $450 and just sounds incredibly full range and nice a clean even at extreme volumes. Here is a link if you are interested and some of my video clips of the cab in real gigging action are featured at the bottom.

http://www.avatarspeakers.com/TB153.htm

* I am not endorsed or paid, just think it is an incredible product for the $.:p

I just received my Streamliner 900 yesterday and played it through the Avatar TB153 (8 Ohm) for the first time last night at rehearsal. First impressions were:

1. I was surprised how much I had to crank the gain up to get the drive going. I had to engage the gain switch and bring the gain and pre-volume up to 12 o'clock to even begin to get the grind I was looking for. I was using a Carvin LB75W 5 string active bass (18 volt), so I was very surpirsed by this. I didn't expect to have to go that far at all after what I'd read on part 1 through part 4 of these threads. I would not consider myself a high-gain/overdrive player at all. I was actually struggling with the decision of the ShuttleMax 9.2 vs. the Streamliner 900 (clearly I chose correctly). Without the gain switch engaged, it was a very tasty clean, but not what I was looking for last night. I play in a rock/fusion kind of band so was looking for a lot of warmth, but not really heavy overdrive. All that being said, once I got to it, I was very happy with it. The band mates commented on how warm and full it sounded.

2. With the Streamliner 900 driving an 8 Ohm load, I was at 500W of amp power into a 450W Avatar TB153 8-Ohm cabinet. When I cranked the volume to 3 O'Clock, it was loud, but not as loud as I expected. The drummer is extremely loud. He wraps the ends of his drumsticks with electrical tape to make a sort of mini-baseball bat handle to make sure while he is swinging with fury that they don't go flying out of his hands. While the amp/cab easily kept up with him, I expected it to bury him at only about 12 O'Clock, but that wasn't the case. The peak light was lighting ocassionally when I was really digging in on the heavy passages.

3. Headphones - tons of gain for my Sennheiser HD280 headphones. No problem driving them really loud and clear.

All of that said, I am pleased with the sound, but I do have a lot more experimenting to do with the EQ section and the gain structure to really dial in what I'm after. While I definitely liked it, and am very confident that I will get there, it didn't instantly solve world hunger for me. So don't let the hype make you believe in instant ecstacy. Even though it is "streamlined", it still takes some time to get there. Still a damn good amp and I'm sure my ecstacy will be along shortly.:D
 
I just received my Streamliner 900 yesterday and played it through the Avatar TB153 (8 Ohm) for the first time last night at rehearsal. First impressions were:

1. I was surprised how much I had to crank the gain up to get the drive going. I had to engage the gain switch and bring the gain and pre-volume up to 12 o'clock to even begin to get the grind I was looking for. I was using a Carvin LB75W 5 string active bass (18 volt), so I was very surpirsed by this. I didn't expect to have to go that far at all after what I'd read on part 1 through part 4 of these threads. I would not consider myself a high-gain/overdrive player at all. I was actually struggling with the decision of the ShuttleMax 9.2 vs. the Streamliner 900 (clearly I chose correctly). Without the gain switch engaged, it was a very tasty clean, but not what I was looking for last night. I play in a rock/fusion kind of band so was looking for a lot of warmth, but not really heavy overdrive. All that being said, once I got to it, I was very happy with it. The band mates commented on how warm and full it sounded.

2. With the Streamliner 900 driving an 8 Ohm load, I was at 500W of amp power into a 450W Avatar TB153 8-Ohm cabinet. When I cranked the volume to 3 O'Clock, it was loud, but not as loud as I expected. The drummer is extremely loud. He wraps the ends of his drumsticks with electrical tape to make a sort of mini-baseball bat handle to make sure while he is swinging with fury that they don't go flying out of his hands. While the amp/cab easily kept up with him, I expected it to bury him at only about 12 O'Clock, but that wasn't the case. The peak light was lighting ocassionally when I was really digging in on the heavy passages.

3. Headphones - tons of gain for my Sennheiser HD280 headphones. No problem driving them really loud and clear.

All of that said, I am pleased with the sound, but I do have a lot more experimenting to do with the EQ section and the gain structure to really dial in what I'm after. While I definitely liked it, and am very confident that I will get there, it didn't instantly solve world hunger for me. So don't let the hype make you believe in instant ecstacy. Even though it is "streamlined", it still takes some time to get there. Still a damn good amp and I'm sure my ecstacy will be along shortly.:D

a single 15" is only going to move so much air. Plus, since your limit light was only coming on at some points, you still had plenty of headroom. Keep in mind that knob position as nothing to do with volume. We use gradual taper volume knobs on purpose. We don't want you to have all your power before 12 o'clock. What would be the point for the remaining swing in the knob?

Suggestion- I don't know if you can turn the horn off on that cab, but if you're going to run some overdrive through it, you might like the tone better if it is off.
 
3. Headphones - tons of gain for my Sennheiser HD280 headphones. No problem driving them really loud and clear.

Thanks for the report on this.
My mixer pushed my 250 ohm headphones great but my Eden Navigator fall way way short, I have to have the volume maxed. I'm hoping this will not be the case with the streamliner.

1. I'm wondering why the Streamliner would have no problem driving cans but the Navigator doesnt?

2. What resistance are your cans?
 
a single 15" is only going to move so much air.
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Just wanna underline that this 15-6-tweet box is not conventional and WILL go as loud as a 410 if brought to its' limit. Can't be lumped with "usual" 15s. FWIW with my passive Fender 5er the SL900 gets outlandishly loud through my 4 Ohm TB153.
 
Thanks hasbeen. The tweet was at about 20% or so. Good suggestion though, I'll try killing it entirely and see where that brings me. I'll also try it out with my '77 MusicMan Sabre fretless and see what that sounds like too. I'm still in the very early stages of noodling.
 
...With the Streamliner 900 driving an 8 Ohm load, I was at 500W of amp power into a 450W Avatar TB153 8-Ohm cabinet. When I cranked the volume to 3 O'Clock, it was loud, but not as loud as I expected. The drummer is extremely loud. He wraps the ends of his drumsticks with electrical tape to make a sort of mini-baseball bat handle to make sure while he is swinging with fury that they don't go flying out of his hands. While the amp/cab easily kept up with him, I expected it to bury him at only about 12 O'Clock, but that wasn't the case. The peak light was lighting ocassionally when I was really digging in on the heavy passages...

+1 When I run the Streamliner900 through my GB 410-XB2 cab (8ohm), I get the peak light pretty quickly. To me, it simply doesn't seem as loud as I would expect it to be.

When I connect my GB NeoX-212T cab (4ohm), I haven't had the guts to see the peak light and the bass sounds much louder, richer, and deeper to my ears.

I know with the 4ohm load, the amp provides 900watts and is most efficient. It's simply amazing the difference my ears hear.

I'm not done testing. However, I will likely vote on which cab to keep based on my ears and sell the other one as it is not needed.
 
+1 When I run the Streamliner900 through my GB 410-XB2 cab (8ohm), I get the peak light pretty quickly. To me, it simply doesn't seem as loud as I would expect it to be.

When I connect my GB NeoX-212T cab (4ohm), I haven't had the guts to see the peak light and the bass sounds much louder, richer, and deeper to my ears.

I know with the 4ohm load, the amp provides 900watts and is most efficient. It's simply amazing the difference my ears hear.

I'm not done testing. However, I will likely vote on with cab to keep based on my ears and sell the other one as it is not needed.

It's not only the impedance and increased power, but also the voicing and sensitivity of the cabs.

The combination of cab voicing, sensitivity, cab size, and impedance can combine to result in MASSIVE difference in volume (much less tone) with the amp set at the same volume setting.
 
Speaking of testing I just got done with a little testing between 3 cabs. The cabs are:

-GK Neo 212 II 4 ohm - 600W
-GK Neo 212 II 8 ohm - 600W
-GK Neo 112 8 ohm - 300W

A couple of weeks ago I got the 4 ohm cab (212) and the sound with the SL was heaven to me. So I thought, hey, I'll grab a 212 and 112 (both 8 ohm) and that will be my band setup to give me a bit more volume. That was the plan anyway....

The 212 (8 ohm) just doesn't have the deep, full, richness of the 212 (4 ohm). No matter what I did with the EQ, volume, etc. I just kept coming back to the 4 ohm cab and how great it sounded. The 112 and 212 (8 ohm) combo sounded good but just not as good to me as the 212 in 4 ohms.

What was weird to me is 2 identical cabs but one in 4 and the other 8 ohm sounding so different. Is it just one of those things or is it the SL is at max efficiency on the 4 ohm load?

Whatever the case I think I'm just going to go with the 212 4 ohm cab and transport it to and from practice. Anyway that's tonights A/B session. Very interesting to me. Any thoughts?
 
Speaking of testing I just got done with a little testing between 3 cabs. The cabs are:

-GK Neo 212 II 4 ohm - 600W
-GK Neo 212 II 8 ohm - 600W
-GK Neo 112 8 ohm - 300W

A couple of weeks ago I got the 4 ohm cab (212) and the sound with the SL was heaven to me. So I thought, hey, I'll grab a 212 and 112 (both 8 ohm) and that will be my band setup to give me a bit more volume. That was the plan anyway....

The 212 (8 ohm) just doesn't have the deep, full, richness of the 212 (4 ohm). No matter what I did with the EQ, volume, etc. I just kept coming back to the 4 ohm cab and how great it sounded. The 112 and 212 (8 ohm) combo sounded good but just not as good to me as the 212 in 4 ohms.

What was weird to me is 2 identical cabs but one in 4 and the other 8 ohm sounding so different. Is it just one of those things or is it the SL is at max efficiency on the 4 ohm load?

Whatever the case I think I'm just going to go with the 212 4 ohm cab and transport it to and from practice. Anyway that's tonights A/B session. Very interesting to me. Any thoughts?

That is extremely surprising to me. I foolishly expected the 8 Ohm Avatar to sound identical to the 4 Ohm Avatar, just providing me with the option to buy another if necessary to drive both at a full 900 Watts. Hmm, looks like it's time to go cab shopping...
 
Speaking of testing I just got done with a little testing between 3 cabs. The cabs are:

-GK Neo 212 II 4 ohm - 600W
-GK Neo 212 II 8 ohm - 600W
-GK Neo 112 8 ohm - 300W

A couple of weeks ago I got the 4 ohm cab (212) and the sound with the SL was heaven to me. So I thought, hey, I'll grab a 212 and 112 (both 8 ohm) and that will be my band setup to give me a bit more volume. That was the plan anyway....

The 212 (8 ohm) just doesn't have the deep, full, richness of the 212 (4 ohm). No matter what I did with the EQ, volume, etc. I just kept coming back to the 4 ohm cab and how great it sounded. The 112 and 212 (8 ohm) combo sounded good but just not as good to me as the 212 in 4 ohms.

What was weird to me is 2 identical cabs but one in 4 and the other 8 ohm sounding so different. Is it just one of those things or is it the SL is at max efficiency on the 4 ohm load?

Whatever the case I think I'm just going to go with the 212 4 ohm cab and transport it to and from practice. Anyway that's tonights A/B session. Very interesting to me. Any thoughts?

Two thoughts here: with the same gain/volume setting the 8ohm cab will be about 3dB quieter than the 4ohm cab; also, the 4ohm cab you've had a couple of weeks is going to be probably fully broken-in (mostly the surrounds on the bass drivers), the 8ohm you just got maybe not broken-in yet.
As some bass drivers' surrounds break-in, the amount of low end you hear will increase.

Otherwise, maybe the 8ohm cab has some problem(s) -- other than the sensitivity difference, they should sound pretty much the same.
 
Two thoughts here: with the same gain/volume setting the 8ohm cab will be about 3dB quieter than the 4ohm cab; also, the 4ohm cab you've had a couple of weeks is going to be probably fully broken-in (mostly the surrounds on the bass drivers), the 8ohm you just got maybe not broken-in yet.
As some bass drivers' surrounds break-in, the amount of low end you hear will increase.

Otherwise, maybe the 8ohm cab has some problem(s) -- other than the sensitivity difference, they should sound pretty much the same.

The break-in period is a very good point. My 8 Ohm Avatar is also brand new, so is still probably relatively stiff. I'll feed a bass loop through it while I have it cranked up to 11 while my family "sleeps".:hiding:
 
Just wanna underline that this 15-6-tweet box is not conventional and WILL go as loud as a 410 if brought to its' limit. Can't be lumped with "usual" 15s. FWIW with my passive Fender 5er the SL900 gets outlandishly loud through my 4 Ohm TB153.

I understand.
 
FWIW through my 8 Ohm LDS 15-6 the 900 is still very loud. No clip light issues whatsoever. Gobs of power at 8 Ohms.


OK...sorry for the OT, but what is that Dog? It looks like a Keeshund on sterroids. .....beautiful.

I had an Alaskan Malamute as a kid.
 
RumbleBeeAL said:
"issues" is sort of harsh... I'm not having issues, more of a personal preference with my own gear.

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I ordered an SL900 today. Should have it week after next. We should get together with our cabs. I would like to revisit the Neox 212 since it's been awhile since playing one. I'm curious how it sounds next to my AE212 that I've grown fond of. I'd also like to check out some of your Chi-loaded Laklands if you still have them. I've also got an RH450 if you want to see it
 
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