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Genz Benz Streamliner; Part 4

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OK, I've spent pretty much ALL DAY going back and forth with these suckers. Again:

(1) GK Neo 212 II - 4 ohm
(1) GK Neo 212 II - 8 ohm
(1) GK Neo 112 - 8 ohm
(1) Mighty Streamliner 900

I was trying to decide on what scenario to run with. I wanted to either run just the 4 ohm 212 OR the 212 and 112 together (I know, I know...)

A/B'ing the (2) 212's back and forth the 4 ohm (just as KJung nailed) sounded deeper, fuller, brighter..just better.

What I really think was happening at first was the db drop was playing tricks with my ears. Once I compensated more throughout the day the two cabs do in fact sound very similar. Identical? Not quite.

When I first ran the 112 and 212 (8 ohm) together I had the 112 on top of the 212. It just sounded harsh. I contacted the previous owner and he mentioned it wasn't even broken in. After playing it ALL day AND setting it on the floor next to the 212, the rig is singing now!

Soooo, now I have my perfect rig (for me). I'm going to run the 212 and 112 at practice (we play loud) and just tote the 112 back and forth for home use. The 4 ohm, even though it sounds GREAT, will probably go for sale.

Thanks everyone for all the help in the thread and through pm's. I'm learning a lot. I've just never had this much power on tap before.:hyper:
 
#424
Originally Posted by KJung View Post
"I would guess it is power compression caused by running the powerful Streamliner 900 into a relatively small cab (if this hypothesis was true, the 4ohm version would sound tighter in the deep low end and brighter/grindier up top when pushed a bit versus the 'identical' 8ohm model). Just guessing there."

I wonder if this would be the case with the TC RS cabs and the 900?
 
#425
husky123 said:
(1) GK Neo 212 II - 4 ohm
(1) GK Neo 212 II - 8 ohm
(1) GK Neo 112 - 8 ohm
(1) Mighty Streamliner 900
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I'd wonder how the GK Neo 115 would sit with those or even a 410. Now that you have the SL you may like a 410 when you didn't before? The Neo 410 didn't sound right to me at all with a GK head... I tried a SR5 with them & hated it... so clanky or over EQ'd.

I'd be very interested to hear if the SL changes your mind.

But don't you just want to punch me in the brain for suggesting another cab after all you have! HA!
Good luck!
 
#426
Tunaman said:
I'd wonder how the GK Neo 115 would sit with those or even a 410. Now that you have the SL you may like a 410 when you didn't before? The Neo 410 didn't sound right to me at all with a GK head... I tried a SR5 with them & hated it... so clanky or over EQ'd.

I'd be very interested to hear if the SL changes your mind.

But don't you just want to punch me in the brain for suggesting another cab after all you have! HA!
Good luck!
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Ha! Yeah you might be right but I need to just chill for awhile.

Maybe next week. ;)
 
#427
adivin said:
Originally Posted by KJung View Post
"I would guess it is power compression caused by running the powerful Streamliner 900 into a relatively small cab (if this hypothesis was true, the 4ohm version would sound tighter in the deep low end and brighter/grindier up top when pushed a bit versus the 'identical' 8ohm model). Just guessing there."

I wonder if this would be the case with the TC RS cabs and the 900?
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The 900 has plenty of oomph to drive the RS210 to more than full performance at 8ohms. That matchup sounds quite nice by the way. Of course, a single 210 (8ohms or 4ohms) will only get so loud, but it sounds quite nice!
 
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calypsocoral302 said:
I have a question that is sort of indirectly-related to the Streamliner--

What are the chances of GB making an 8-ohm version of the NEOX-212? I'm totally in love with that cab and would like to be able to hook 2 of them up to the Streamliner 900 head.
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My guess would be pretty close to zero, based on a combination of probably pretty low demand (not many play gigs loud enough to need 412's (and the Shuttle Max 12 is made to drive two of the 4ohms), and also the fact that they would have to source an additional 16ohm 12" driver to add to their inventory.
 
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KJung said:
The 900 has plenty of oomph to drive the RS210 to more than full performance at 8ohms. That matchup sounds quite nice by the way. Of course, a single 210 (8ohms or 4ohms) will only get so loud, but it sounds quite nice!
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Before I went a different route, I was going to try my RS 210 and RS112 together with the SL 900. I was worried about sending too much power to the cabs, especially the RS 112.
 
#433
calypsocoral302 said:
I have a question that is sort of indirectly-related to the Streamliner--

What are the chances of GB making an 8-ohm version of the NEOX-212? I'm totally in love with that cab and would like to be able to hook 2 of them up to the Streamliner 900 head.
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Good lord man, where are you playing that you would need TWO of those cabs?!???
They can get CRAZY loud.

I've used one, just one, in 2500+ seat rooms, big stages with very nice FOH systems and was told to turn down a number of times on various gigs with it.

Two would be nuts. But fun!!

My "church rig" is a GBE1200 with the NeoX 210 (we just added another Shuttle 9.0/NeoX112 rig as well).
The 210 IMO may be one of the "louder" 210's I've played through.
 
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4x12's would sound nice with a Liner.

Doesn't Berg make a 4x12?


I got to spend some time with my Liner 900 yesterday. We did not have a rehearsal as my dog had surgery and I needed to keep an eye on him.

I decided to get some aggression out and went for my 51 Fender into two of the Berg 1x12 cabs. I turned the tweeters off, dimed the input gain, flipped in the gain switch, had the preamp volume on about 2:00 and turned the master to about 3:00.

It was insane. I little to much grit on the high end for me so I rolled my tone control on the Bass back about half way. Then it was perfect.

This sound was beyond cranked SVT, it was raw and punchy.

Glorious tubalicious overdrive with earth shaking bottom in a teeny tiny package no one would really believe.

I so needed to get some aggression out. :bassist::mad::mad::bassist:
 
#438
I would think an SL900 with a 4 ohm NeoX 212 would be plenty for most gigs unless there is no FOH system. I've got a Shuttle Max 12.0 with the Uber 410/212 stack and have yet to play a gig where I need both cabs. I suppose if you have the $$$ and really want to wreak mayhem you could buy a pair of NeoX 212's and a 2nd SL900, using the effects send to drive the 2nd amp. :eek:

MikeBass - I caught some of your act at the Blue Goose online last night about 10:15. Nice tone and a good funky groove. It looked like a good time was had by all. Was the SL900 or the Shuttle 9.0 used for your 1st set?
 
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KJung said:
My guess would be pretty close to zero, based on a combination of probably pretty low demand (not many play gigs loud enough to need 412's (and the Shuttle Max 12 is made to drive two of the 4ohms), and also the fact that they would have to source an additional 16ohm 12" driver to add to their inventory.
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thanks for the assist KJ.

With all the 4-ohm minimum amps on the market, I'm certainly monitoring for an increased demand for 8 ohm cabs, but as KJ mentions, I haven't seen it yet.
 
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