Genz Benz Streamliner Pt 7.....

[rodl2005]

I had an old Traynor Bass Head back in the day. That thing was awesome. I'm not sure of the model. It had a factory installed fan at the end of the cabinet. I've never seen another one like it.

I played a gig the other day with my Streamline, one Bergantino HT112EX (on a stand), and just my Upright Emanuel Wilfer. The Streamliner sounded great. No complaints whatsoever.

I can see where the Streamliner would sound good with an old school cab like that. FWIW I never use a tweeter.

I was comparing 2 identical 1x15 cabs yesterday. One with the tweeter & it's x-over bypassed totally, & the other standard(with horn).
Tried many different settings with the horn- off,& various 'on' settings on it's dial.
Was quite amazing to hear just how much we bassists DON'T need a tweeter!
The 15" with no horn reproduced -to my ears at least- damn near EVERY bit of the bass sound needed.
When compared, only the string noise & 'flubs' really showed up with the tweeter up.
Yep, I rarely ever have it turned up more than 1/4, & usually is off.

 

[ErnieD]

rodl2005, been meaning to reply here that it seems you did everything possible to make that STM-900 work for you. Just couldn't make it happen huh?

Well, I said it once and I'll say it again...surely not for lack or trying on your part. You sure gave it good go, Mate. Just didn't happen for you, that's cool, you tried (very hard) I feel. I've read where you use a couple different NV cabs. I thought I read here that 900 with NV cabs works real nice. At least I belive I read that here.

I kept thinking man shoulda kept my NV215 to use with my new 900 head. But that cabs gone, I was too impatient and had no clue of the 900 head at that time. The NV just did not seem to work for me with F1 or B1500 heads back then.

I find that my 900 works best so far with my TB153 (4ohm) cab, Am St P5 w/flats. That head also works nice with my GB Neox 212T cab, again P5. I still use my Markbass LMII & F1 with my UL410 cabs, usually a 5er, active, modern bass. The 900 worked pretty nice with my two TC RS210 cabs too. Just haven't used that combo since I got the TB153, really love that head n cab combo now. Oh well, there's alot of gear out there that works for many and some that just don't. Peace, e.

 

[3rdcurve]

This question is for Chef. Did you run your streamliner through your 3015 loaded tl606s while you had it? I love my tone through my modified 810e, but like the portability of a pair of 15" cabs.

 

[Tunaman]

I was playing around with some extreme settings today, I had the bass cut all the way, mids cut 75% & treble mid

usually I like the mid freq at 2.5K but I moved em down to 220.

I clearly was looking for a hi-fi tone to match the shuttlemax 12.0 I just sold & to match the Eden Nav.

It was close, its really hard to dial out the warmth even with those extreme settings. The uppermids & upper registers always seem to have some warmth.

It will never be considered a transparent amp, thats for sure!

 

[rodl2005]

rodl2005, been meaning to reply here that it seems you did everything possible to make that STM-900 work for you. Just couldn't make it happen huh?

Well, I said it once and I'll say it again...surely not for lack or trying on your part. You sure gave it good go, Mate. Just didn't happen for you, that's cool, you tried (very hard) I feel. I've read where you use a couple different NV cabs. I thought I read here that 900 with NV cabs works real nice. At least I belive I read that here.

I kept thinking man shoulda kept my NV215 to use with my new 900 head. But that cabs gone, I was too impatient and had no clue of the 900 head at that time. The NV just did not seem to work for me with F1 or B1500 heads back then.

I find that my 900 works best so far with my TB153 (4ohm) cab, Am St P5 w/flats. That head also works nice with my GB Neox 212T cab, again P5. I still use my Markbass LMII & F1 with my UL410 cabs, usually a 5er, active, modern bass. The 900 worked pretty nice with my two TC RS210 cabs too. Just haven't used that combo since I got the TB153, really love that head n cab combo now. Oh well, there's alot of gear out there that works for many and some that just don't. Peace, e.

Cheers Ernie, yeah I really did want it to work for me, or I wouldn't have grabbed it in the 1st place.
Each to their own I say. I still think it's a damn good amp & I really liked it's OD sounds. To my ears, it has one of the best overdrive sounds in a hybrid amp. The only one I like better for OD is the Mesa WA. & I like that amp better all round-for me.
It IS a pity it didn't work for me. But I'm still in the GB camp with my Shuttle 6.0.
Re the NV cabs, I did try it with the NV215 &, again imo, was good, but not AS nice as the WA or Shuttle.
Just too much of that big bottom end for me.
Out of MY cabs,I found the AE410 suited it best.
I'm Glad many ARE liking the STL. & Thank goodness we all have different opinions/hearing/tastes etc.... It'd be a boring world if we didn't.
FYI, I 'swapped' my STL for an Ampeg 7 PRO. & am loving that, & loving being able to turn UP the bass -if I need to!

 

[esoxhntr]

Gig #1 tonight with STL900/Traynor TC115. Great Success (insert Borat accent here)! So cool to have the B15 vibe with headroom. This is a keeper combo for sure if you are looking for no holds barred vintage tone.

 

[iammr2]

Has anyone tried a Streamliner with a Bag End S15-D?

 

[adivin]

I was playing around with some extreme settings today, I had the bass cut all the way, mids cut 75% & treble mid

usually I like the mid freq at 2.5K but I moved em down to 220.

I clearly was looking for a hi-fi tone to match the shuttlemax 12.0 I just sold & to match the Eden Nav.

It was close, its really hard to dial out the warmth even with those extreme settings. The uppermids & upper registers always seem to have some warmth.

It will never be considered a transparent amp, thats for sure!

I'm really liking a cut at 2.5 and bass and treble cut to taste.

 

[gkbass13]

One of the amazing things I'm finding about the Streamliner 600 and Bergantino HS2x10 combo so far is that it works with the Sadowsky preamp on my Nordy VJ5(PJ) in such a musical way! My previous Markbass F-1 Epifani UL 2x10 set up seemed to get boomy or harsh in extreme EQ settings, while the Streamliner/Berg pair manages to tame things but in a very very good way. Loving it!

-Grady

 

[sratas]

+ 1 on the Bergantino 2 x 10 (the only I have at the moment). I own AE, not Hs, but that speakers in that original arrangement seems to compliment rather well with the STM. In my experience, with only one AE210 the STM sounds right without cut in the bass, even in a room. I tell you, those speakers can take real bass at real high stage volumes without complaints. Two of them can rock every venue with a pure tone. I like them

One of the amazing things I'm finding about the Streamliner 600 and Bergantino HS2x10 combo so far is that it works with the Sadowsky preamp on my Nordy VJ5(PJ) in such a musical way! My previous Markbass F-1 Epifani UL 2x10 set up seemed to get boomy or harsh in extreme EQ settings, while the Streamliner/Berg pair manages to tame things but in a very very good way. Loving it!

-Grady

 

[ErnieD]

At first I was keeping the bass knob on my 900 at 9:00-10:00, like many here. Lately I find myself rolling it up to 1:00-2:00 and its working it most nite clubs/sports bar type venues. Man, the notes just feel so thick n plush at those settings.

Mostly keep Freq @ 600 w/mids @ 2-3:00, treble @ 1-2:00. Gain in, always for me. I'm thinking the TB153 broke in after the third gig and I'm diggin these settings now. What a great combo of cab n amp.

But new club, small-ish, long, narrow Pub gig this Saturday. Me thinks the Neox 212T will be a easier schlep; maybe JoBo 5 just for a change. The GB cab and 900 mix still works real nice as well. Hope I dont miss the TB cab, its' spoiled me now.

 

[ErnieD]

I just dropped in here to take a breather from that long-@ss RH450 thread that's happeniing right now. The $hits' hit the fan quite a few times over there.

WHEW! I'm on page 47 and been checking in on it the past three nites. Read a few pages then go to other threads for a break. Come back and its 2-3 pages longer.

I've been asking for a trade of a RH450 for a preamp of mine in the FS classifieds here. Some guys are actually hating thier RH amps now. Who knows, I may get a hit soon. But should I take it now? I may be known as a "scab" for taking the now-hated RH in trade.

Oh well, gonna grab a glass of milk and some Oreos and get back at it. Orale!, maybe with my STM-900 I dun need no stinkin RH four-feety anywayz, Que no?

 

[Musicman20]

I very much doubt anyone is hating the RH amps now. Its been around 2 years since it hit the shelves, and ive been reading the first early threads.

Every comment - "this thing has so much volume, very fairly rated, hands down out whumps my LM/3"...etc etc...you get the idea.

It could have been the honeymoon period, but I absolutely loved my now sold RH450, and the 750 I now have is excellent.

I am quite 'gutted' to be moving on my SL900, as its a nice amp. I took a look at it last night, and had a few 'should I/shouldnt I' moments, but I know I need something a little more modern sounding and clear, which is just the circs I guess.

Heck...itd be great to keep it along with the rest...but I dont think money will allow that.

 

[steve_rolfeca]

I was playing around with some extreme settings today, I had the bass cut all the way, mids cut 75% & treble mid

usually I like the mid freq at 2.5K but I moved em down to 220.

...its really hard to dial out the warmth even with those extreme settings. The uppermids & upper registers always seem to have some warmth.

Nice tip about cutting the mids at 220 to further tighten up the low end. I'll check it out on the gig tonight...

Meanwhile, the fat-yet-clear balance in the upper mids and treble is what sold me on the Streamliner.

I've rarely been bothered by a shortage of punchy, powerful low end since I switched to solid state and hybrids, but I've done a lot of swapping, trying to regain the warmth and smoothness that my favourite tube amps gave me. One-tube hybrids still sounded a little too ganky up top, while supposedly old-school, "tubey" SS and modelling amps (TC Electronics, Eden WTX, Line 6) just sound murky to me.

The SL900 is the first and only head I've tried since the mid '70's, that perfectly balances the qualities that I like best about both solid state AND tubes. Bliss.

 

[ErnieD]

You checked out the RH450-RS210/RS212 thread lately. Man, its a bloodbath over there in those later pages like page 40+. And I've read all the TC RH450/750 threads, so I know guys love those amps. That's why I wanted to try one out.

But really a couple dudes over there are saying they love their RH450/750 but may sell it off now just on principal. I think that's crazy but they feel that strongly about it.

I don't even care to post in that thread right now. Besides, I like this thread here better, its' alot more peaceful and easygoing. The GB 900 head will do that to you.

 

[Gab124]

At first I was keeping the bass knob on my 900 at 9:00-10:00, like many here. Lately I find myself rolling it up to 1:00-2:00 and its working it most nite clubs/sports bar type venues. Man, the notes just feel so thick n plush at those settings.

Mostly keep Freq @ 600 w/mids @ 2-3:00, treble @ 1-2:00. Gain in, always for me. I'm thinking the TB153 broke in after the third gig and I'm diggin these settings now. What a great combo of cab n amp.

But new club, small-ish, long, narrow Pub gig this Saturday. Me thinks the Neox 212T will be a easier schlep; maybe JoBo 5 just for a change. The GB cab and 900 mix still works real nice as well. Hope I dont miss the TB cab, its' spoiled me now.

I too run a TB153 and have found the settings you suggest very good for me as well. Very thick and supportive while maintaining articulation without being boomy. I have had more positive comments from band, crowd and sound guy like this than ever in my 20+yrs of playing. One night in a raised corner stage I had to back off the bass, but that room was just plain bad. I still have my LM111 for a diff tone, but can't seem to take it back out yet.

 

[KJung]

Meanwhile, the fat-yet-clear balance in the upper mids and treble is what sold me on the Streamliner.

I've rarely been bothered by a shortage of punchy, powerful low end since I switched to solid state and hybrids, but I've done a lot of swapping, trying to regain the warmth and smoothness that my favourite tube amps gave me. One-tube hybrids still sounded a little too ganky up top, while supposedly old-school, "tubey" SS and modelling amps (TC Electronics, Eden WTX, Line 6) just sound murky to me.

The SL900 is the first and only head I've tried since the mid '70's, that perfectly balances the qualities that I like best about both solid state AND tubes. Bliss.

That pretty much sums it up for me also.

 

[Tunaman]

Nice tip about cutting the mids at 220 to further tighten up the low end. I'll check it out on the gig tonight...

Meanwhile, the fat-yet-clear balance in the upper mids and treble is what sold me on the Streamliner.

I totally agree about the fat yet clear. I haven't found an amp that can do it besides this one although I haven't tried much of the high end stuff not in GC.

If I boost mids its with the 2.5K
If I cut mids its with the 220

My bass stays at 9 usually.

I do miss my Shuttlemax already because I can't get those tones with the Streamliner. I have to figure out where I'm getting some crackling in my Eden Navigator because it was closer to the shuttlemax than the Streamliner.

The GK NEO 412 sounds awesome with the Streamliner & the Bongo 5 HHp. Now THATS low end

 

[Musicman20]

Im now on the fence about keeping my SL900 and buying a LM3 outright, and trading in the RS212....hmm.

Im going to play it tomorrow with a variety of cabs and see if I should keep it.

The one thing that worries me is this mid-dip that I keep hearing about. Is there a mid-dip?! Is this why some are struggling with some cabs?

Or are the mids just normal?

What I struggle with is if I bump the mids to 2/3, there isnt much left on the dial mids wise..

 

[Tunaman]

Im now on the fence about keeping my SL900 and buying a LM3 outright, and trading in the RS212....hmm.

Im going to play it tomorrow with a variety of cabs and see if I should keep it.

The one thing that worries me is this mid-dip that I keep hearing about. Is there a mid-dip?! Is this why some are struggling with some cabs?

Or are the mids just normal?

What I struggle with is if I bump the mids to 2/3, there isnt much left on the dial mids wise..

LM3 over a Streamliner? ouch, you sure you don't want a Shuttlemax over the LM3?