No FX loop, there is an Aux in (line level) that seemed like the obvious option but I got an immediate hum so removed right away.
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No FX loop, there is an Aux in (line level) that seemed like the obvious option but I got an immediate hum so removed right away.
Oops didn’t see this as the page flipped. Thanks for the reply. You’re probably wondering why I just don’t use an amp with this preamp, well to your credit I A/B/C with 3 different amps and this actually sounds the most musical to me despite the other 2 having much more power. I realize there’s no market likely anymore but a single space stripped down amp version of a 350 or 800 would be perfect. This way I’d keep my 350 for small gigs that I don’t need to bring my rack. I’ll volunteer to field test a prototype if you want to slap something together....
OK, I thought I would add my impressions of the MG350 / BA10-2 combo. I currently own the combo, an extra BA10-2 cabinet, and the MG800. I purchased the MG800 first with the intent to add a pair of BA112-3 cabinets, but then the combo came out and I wanted to give that a try first.
No gig experience yet as I'm putting together a new project. We're rehearsing in the drummer's finished basement...the room is about 15 x 30 ft., carpeted, paneled, with a drop ceiling, so not too live acoustically. I play 4 and 5 string active Fender Jazz basses, both with flats and nickel rounds, in both active and passive modes. The band is doing female vocal cover songs at this point. Electronic drums, keyboards and vocals go through the PA. The guitar goes through a 12" Fender amp. The volume is moderate, but there is a lot of sound being generated.
The first couple of rehearsals I brought both the combo and the additional BA10-2, but it was clear that I only needed one cabinet. The volume that these cabinets produce seems almost unnatural for their size. I would describe the sound as clear, immediate, balanced and punchy. The notes are very full without being muddy. I run the EQ basically flat, with the input and master volume both at about 11 o'clock, and the single cabinet is not stressed at all. I've used a touch of each of the contours to a pleasant effect. The combo handles the B string very well. Everyone in the band is very pleased with the support the combo gives, as well as the clarity it provides.
I tried the MG800 with the BA10-2 cabs (at a moderate volume of course) and I think the MG800 and MG350 are pretty much the same tone-wise. BTW I don't use the drive channel on the MG800 (or any overdrive for that matter).
I have the carry bag for the combo, and it is very well put together and provides great protection.
I'm looking forward to getting this rig out to some gigs, but in the mean time I am very pleased with it's volume, tone, flexibility, and superior build quality. Jeff has really outdone himself with this one. If you're on the fence I highly recommend giving this rig a shot.
Bob
No gig experience yet as I'm putting together a new project. We're rehearsing in the drummer's finished basement...the room is about 15 x 30 ft., carpeted, paneled, with a drop ceiling, so not too live acoustically. I play 4 and 5 string active Fender Jazz basses, both with flats and nickel rounds, in both active and passive modes. The band is doing female vocal cover songs at this point. Electronic drums, keyboards and vocals go through the PA. The guitar goes through a 12" Fender amp. The volume is moderate, but there is a lot of sound being generated.
The first couple of rehearsals I brought both the combo and the additional BA10-2, but it was clear that I only needed one cabinet. The volume that these cabinets produce seems almost unnatural for their size. I would describe the sound as clear, immediate, balanced and punchy. The notes are very full without being muddy. I run the EQ basically flat, with the input and master volume both at about 11 o'clock, and the single cabinet is not stressed at all. I've used a touch of each of the contours to a pleasant effect. The combo handles the B string very well. Everyone in the band is very pleased with the support the combo gives, as well as the clarity it provides.
I tried the MG800 with the BA10-2 cabs (at a moderate volume of course) and I think the MG800 and MG350 are pretty much the same tone-wise. BTW I don't use the drive channel on the MG800 (or any overdrive for that matter).
I have the carry bag for the combo, and it is very well put together and provides great protection.
I'm looking forward to getting this rig out to some gigs, but in the mean time I am very pleased with it's volume, tone, flexibility, and superior build quality. Jeff has really outdone himself with this one. If you're on the fence I highly recommend giving this rig a shot.
Bob
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Jeff Genzler
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Thanks for your review and for the nice comments. I really like the home-grown pics. I think you'll really enjoy when you get this rig out live.
Well I finally bit the bullet and ordered the 350 combo and a extra 10-2 cab. I ordered from Jason at BSO and will be shipped from Genzler Shop since it’s closer to where I live. You simply can’t beat Genzler gear.
I second the 10-2/Magellan combo. I have the MG800 and two 10-2's. The tone is superb right out of the box. Tight, deep, punchy, detailed....They all come to mind. They are super easy to schlep with a biga**, easy to grip handle conveniently placed on the cab. And they are lightweight. AND they sound great with 'lectric or URB. It's pretty much the perfect cab.
My only gripe is most of my gigs are IEM/powered monitor affairs so I don't get to use the Genzler stuff as much as I would want to. WAH!! Oh well.....First World issues.
Ill be interested in your take on this rig and how the little cab compares to your 210’s.
Awesome. I am strongly thinking about going this direction too(buying the BA10-2 and the bracket using my Magellan 350). I love this head. I have 11 gigs on it now and its just so easy to get a great sound with. Warm, detailed, and clear with plenty of power. I just smile looking at it ha!
So I had a call for a thing today in NYC that was not the usual kind of gig for me. A guitar player buddy I used to play in a rock and roll band like 25 years ago who now plays piano in a jazz thing asked if I could do this thing, he said just bring your bass there’s an amp there. So knowing that this wasn’t my normal gig I try to take as many variables out of the equation as possible. I grab my 350 just in case and realized today it actually fits right in my gig bag.
So I get to this place and there is a Hartke 410 and head that look like it had been around a NYC block about a milllion times. I turn it on and I get some crackles and then try adjusting it as the previous person had left it in a whacky eq setup. The pots are all scratchy and after literally 5 seconds I pull the plug on it, grab my 350 which was sitting cozily in my gig bag and set it on top of the other head. I of course thought to bring a speakon cable but of course, this cabinet is rigged up with just a wire coming out of it with electrical tape wrapped around it. After I unwrap the foot of black gummy electrical tape I uncover thankfully the 1/4” speaker wire is in fact plugged into a 1/4” jack that can be unplugged so I can plug my speaker wire into this cabinet. At this point I’m sweating a bit as everyone is getting sounds and I know I’ll need time to review some real book tunes and make sure I have my &$#% together and I’m trying really hard not to stress.
Then a great thing happens, I turn on the 350, set everything flat, put the contour to 12:00 and just like that my bass sounds great even through this really beat cabinet and I literally feel the stress dissipate from my body. The next 3 hours are completely fun and enjoyable and a good time was had by all. I know this may sound like a stretch but I’m telling you it all changed the moment I heard my bass through this amp. Thanks Jeff for saving my day.
So I get to this place and there is a Hartke 410 and head that look like it had been around a NYC block about a milllion times. I turn it on and I get some crackles and then try adjusting it as the previous person had left it in a whacky eq setup. The pots are all scratchy and after literally 5 seconds I pull the plug on it, grab my 350 which was sitting cozily in my gig bag and set it on top of the other head. I of course thought to bring a speakon cable but of course, this cabinet is rigged up with just a wire coming out of it with electrical tape wrapped around it. After I unwrap the foot of black gummy electrical tape I uncover thankfully the 1/4” speaker wire is in fact plugged into a 1/4” jack that can be unplugged so I can plug my speaker wire into this cabinet. At this point I’m sweating a bit as everyone is getting sounds and I know I’ll need time to review some real book tunes and make sure I have my &$#% together and I’m trying really hard not to stress.
Then a great thing happens, I turn on the 350, set everything flat, put the contour to 12:00 and just like that my bass sounds great even through this really beat cabinet and I literally feel the stress dissipate from my body. The next 3 hours are completely fun and enjoyable and a good time was had by all. I know this may sound like a stretch but I’m telling you it all changed the moment I heard my bass through this amp. Thanks Jeff for saving my day.
Just got back from my first band practice with the Genzler. SO MUCH more oomph and punch compared to the darkglass. I was using my MG112T, and it felt like a punch in the chest with each note .I'm in love!! I have my contour set on the orange channel at about 2 o clock
The pre-amp in the MG 800 is so good I never considered using the effects return for a power amp. WOW! It’s also one of the best power amps I’ve ever used! Absolutely killer gear!
@Jeff Genzler
I got my Genzler 350 combo and extra 10-2 cabinet and I have to admit looking at it I thought there would be no way that those small cabs would do what I needed. After actually giving it a fair shot I have to admit I was dead wrong. This little stack blows my mind that it puts out the volume and quality bass tone it gives. Question for you and others though, Has anyone ever tried 3 of the 10-2 cabs together and would it make a difference? I can't see me needing it but I might get it just to have in case I need it. What an impressive rig though.
I got my Genzler 350 combo and extra 10-2 cabinet and I have to admit looking at it I thought there would be no way that those small cabs would do what I needed. After actually giving it a fair shot I have to admit I was dead wrong. This little stack blows my mind that it puts out the volume and quality bass tone it gives. Question for you and others though, Has anyone ever tried 3 of the 10-2 cabs together and would it make a difference? I can't see me needing it but I might get it just to have in case I need it. What an impressive rig though.
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I could see needing a third cabinet in a larger venue with no PA support, and I think the third cab would definitely add some meat to the sound, but for most everything I do 2 cabinets is enough. I would be a bit concerned about the stability of stacking three cabs, but since I haven't tried it I'm just guessing...
Bob
Nice! Glad it's working out for you!
I'm (still) GASsing for a third 10-2. Outdoor season is coming up pretty soon.
I do have a big rig (Mesa SW115/112 stack) that sounds terrific, especially with the MG800. Yowza! That head sounds good through the Mesa cabs! But I can't seem to shake the 3 x 10-2 setup GAS. I wonder if the three 10-2's could hold their own against the SW115/112 stack?
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I'm just gonna come right out and say it, the Genzler heads both the 350 and 800 and all the array cabs (with exception of 410 since I haven't owned it YET lol) are the best sounding and best built bass gear made. You simply can't find better IMO.
Jeff Genzler
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Hey @campbems, So glad you got the rig. We do appreciate your initial comments.
I must say I do get a kick out of the comments we hear when people see this little rig, kind of grin at it and then get kicked in the but when they play it. About the "3stack", you would certainly get more projection and dispersion in a unique way as the 3 cabs form a pretty impressive "arc of bass". I will say that it is important when stacking the 3 that you have a solid stage, not a plushy rug under it.
Don't forget the Impedance switch if you do go for the 3rd cab.
Not surprised at all.
Can you speak to the difference in voicing between the two BA10-2's and a single BA210-3?
thanks
I haven’t tried live yet so that will be the key but at the same 50% volume on the 350 and 800 volume wise the 350 sounds punchier than the 210. That’s what shocked me most as the clarity and punch is there in spades. Low end seems a little bit more with the 210 over the 110 stack. Very impressive little stack that will definitley get laughs packing it in I’m assuming until they hear it played through. Very impressive little bass rig that I feel will handle anything I need.
Hi,
I'm currently running an Helix lt direct into a Peavey IPR1600 power amp and 2 Genz Focus 115 + 210 cab. It sounds pretty good but I am using some distortion and I find the tweeters to be harsh sometimes. I don't like turning them off because then I miss the highs. I'm wondering if adding a ba10-2 to my rig would be a solution. I could turn the tweeter off on my cabs and set the ba10-2 on the second channel of my amp with a switch sending only 100hz and up to the ba10-2.
What do you think? How do you like the bass array cabs with distortion?
I'm currently running an Helix lt direct into a Peavey IPR1600 power amp and 2 Genz Focus 115 + 210 cab. It sounds pretty good but I am using some distortion and I find the tweeters to be harsh sometimes. I don't like turning them off because then I miss the highs. I'm wondering if adding a ba10-2 to my rig would be a solution. I could turn the tweeter off on my cabs and set the ba10-2 on the second channel of my amp with a switch sending only 100hz and up to the ba10-2.
What do you think? How do you like the bass array cabs with distortion?
They are awesome with distortion. Because of the paper cone arrays rather than a horn tweeter, distortion tends to be more mid-present and the annoying high-end spikes that accompany a lot of distortion sounds are minimal. It makes for a very present and musical sounding distortion.
