I think 'peaking out' was referencing you can just see the edge of the BAs between himself and the drummer.
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Genzler Amplification Club
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typo or brain fart; cant edit, should be peeking. The sound guy said it was too loud so had me unplug one cab. I usually used both. Not sure when the pic was taken.
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I like the detail that the newer Genzler stuff has the same poti knobs as the Genz-Benz
Thanks! I was just trying to understand exactly what was going on. I wonder what the sound guy was really hearing, since he didn't ask you to turn the amp/bass down because you were too loud, but to unplug a cabinet and leave the volume(s) as is (I assume?). I mean, you didn't think that you were too loud, otherwise you would have made some adjustments, right?
I suspect there was too much bass presence with both cabinets? Which cabinets were you running?
My interests in all of this is that I've been a lot out of touch these past 11 months with what rig to carry and I have a gig next month that is in a type of room that I have not played in before. There won't be a sound guy present to help with anything, so now I'm wondering for this gig, from what I have in cabinets, is less better than more.
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The chassis is very similar as well, just turned 90 degrees. Looks like Jeff was able to keep most of the IP from the Streamliner.I like the detail that the newer Genzler stuff has the same poti knobs as the Genz-Benz
Get one of the 12 or 15's and you will look at them other cabs and say to yourself,
Then get a second and put them Ampegs up for sale.
The stacked 12's couple and are massive in sound and tone. I find one of the challenges is that these cabs are too good and project too far forward and interferes with the front of house mix. The corrective action is to turn down the amps for the most part. Sometimes I've had a little too much "boom" (odd shaped room causing a boom) Jeff G was very helpful suggesting corrections for that (switching to B contour and adding a little bass) which worked extremely well the next time I played that same room.
I hate working with sounds guys that don't like a lot of bottom end. Myself when I'm mixing get a lot of compliments for the bass player as you can actually hear what he is doing.
Something to watch for is coupling with the stage. My 12 has done that when I'm playing on a plywood stage.
Cheers!
Steve
I think thats because FOH has such good subs a lot of the time that our stage bass gets in the way. I tend to let FOH do what they want with the bass (and I always turn down the bass when I get loud anyway) and push my mids, which most sound guys aren't gonna turn up. Just my take.
So far, contour B with a little bass boost is what I love. Nice tight but still full bottom end.
I added a 3rd 12-3 to my M800 and it's a great experience . My poor Fridge sits alone now, even for outdoor gigs. My excuse for the 3rd cab was so I could get it up
in the air and closer to my ears (good excuse, right?)
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Hi,
Hard to say what he was hearing as to me it wasn’t too loud, but I believe he thought it was too loud. This particular room was a ballroom where the stage had natural acoustic projection. I can only assume that certain bass frequencies were resonant causing him to hear it as too loud, as on-stage it wasn't per the guitar player standing right in front of it. This was during sound heck when he asked me to unplug one. When we played I could hear the one cab OK and yes, I did turn it up a bit during soundcheck with the one-cab for stage hearing. Soundman was OK with that. I can guess possibly the outward projection and resonant frequencies were a bit different of the coupled cabs as well as due to the natural acoustics of the venue.
FWIW I did pro sound for a lot of years and do understand what one hears out in the audience is sometimes drastically different than on stage.
I was using a pair of Genzler BA12-3 cabs. I have since switched to the BA15-3. I never had any acoustic or stage problems anywhere else using both. The cabs responded as needed whether at high SPL or low SPL. The guys I play with around here are all usually too loud so I usually am too; but the 800 watts and cabs did the job.
Thanks, @bebass!
I understand the room we'll be in is a sectioned off part of a warehouse without a stage. The crowd is limited to around 75 with ample space to allow for social distancing.
I think I'll stop thinking too much about it and just roll with the MG800 and BA410. Since the B contour takes a little bite out of the booming lows, I should be good for this gig or walk away with more stuff to think about for the next gig.
I understand the room we'll be in is a sectioned off part of a warehouse without a stage. The crowd is limited to around 75 with ample space to allow for social distancing.
I think I'll stop thinking too much about it and just roll with the MG800 and BA410. Since the B contour takes a little bite out of the booming lows, I should be good for this gig or walk away with more stuff to think about for the next gig.
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You shoukd be just fine with that rig. The amp has a lot of adjustability to account for different rooms and different preferred tones.
A lot of times different basses I turn down the bass just a bit and sometimes give the mids just a bit of boost. I never like extra drastic equalization but sometimes just a touch does wonders. I always start fresh and EQ to the room and the stage, not relying on any previous preferred adjustment.
Couldn’t you just turn it down? That way you’d still get the bottom extension and similar volume overall...
Here’s my cure for a boomy stage. On stage amp stand - can hold 250lbs so 2x Ba12-3 and an mg800 is no problem. Brings it about 2 ft up. This particular stage though - still had to lower the bass to about 1030.
Here’s a better pic of the stand.
I use little folding foot stool to set my BA12-3 and 350 Combo on when I used them. My BA410 is castors.
