Genzler Amplification Club

[SteveC]

I’ve never heard of fake Genzler cabs.

 

[Jeff Genzler]

Thanx for the responses folks… keep ‘em coming

I do have a concern about the BA210 cabs. The price is a bit lower than I would expect. The seller says they are pretty much like new condition and not payed much. He does live in the middle of nowhere and is an hour from me. Were there ever any copy cats of these cabs? Anyone making fake Genzler cabs?

@Bassi5t ---- thank you for posting your concerns. I have not heard of such a thing (fake cabs), but if you'd like to PM me a few pics of what the seller is offering, I'd be happy to review and confirm what is being offered.

 

[Bassi5t]

@Bassi5t ---- thank you for posting your concerns. I have not heard of such a thing (fake cabs), but if you'd like to PM me a few pics of what the seller is offering, I'd be happy to review and confirm what is being offered.

Thanx Jeff. I’ve sent a PM already.

 

[Holdsg]

and by all means, post a pic of the serial number area/back of cab, as well all could chime in on the validity too.

 

[Moonskunk]

So would two BA -10-S2 cabs with a Mesa D-350 or Aguilar TH-350 head be gig worthy? I'm thinking of getting one cab for now just for the bedroom practice area and later add on another. Also, I have a Warwick 2x8 cab rated 300 watts 8 ohm with Celestion speakers. Would the BA-10-S2 and Warwick cabs match up alright together until I got an additional BA-10 cab giving me the full output of the amps? Would I need to turn off the tweeter on the Warwick cab? I assume it would be best to stack the BA-10 cab on top of the 2x8 Warwick cab with the Warwick cab being vertical and BA-10 horizontal. Thanks

 

[ImTheOnlyOne]

It really is the best of both worlds. It give you that really great thump that you're currently getting with the BA15-3 SLT and brings in this nice punch and growl from the two 10s. I took Jeff's recommendation and went with the BA210-3 STR so the arrays would line up smoothing and blending the two cabs together. It's quite formidable and yields positive feedback every time I play through the combination.

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That's an interesting recommendation you noted, keeping the two cabs' arrays in the same plane. What noticeable difference in keeping the line array in a line (STR atop SLT) compared to an arc (SLT atop SLT) ?

 

[Jamvan]

That's an interesting recommendation you noted, keeping the two cabs' arrays in the same plane. What noticeable difference in keeping the line array in a line (STR atop SLT) compared to an arc (SLT atop SLT) ?

It's about the line array "coupling" but I'll let Jeff answer on my behalf;

BA210-3 SLT/BA15-3 SLT (as compared to 2 BA15-3 SLTs)

@3rdcurve --- thanks for the question, and this deserves an honest answer ---- I have never been a fan of 15" cabs. In our GB days back in the mid 80's, we did start offering a 15" small cube and a few variations but those were never for my tastes. I think that is why in the early 90's we were among the first to transition to 12" based cab designs, etc.
When we developed the Bass Array design, many players were asking about a 15" version, and maybe I was dragging my feet on that.
BUT --- once we developed this cabinet design it really blew away all of the things I disliked about 15" designs.

So when we started combining various BA cab models, I thought I would naturally lean towards the BA15-3 SLT / BA210-3 SLT combination ----- which I do like very much. What really impressed me when using side x side, was the dual BA15-3 SLT stack.

To answer your question in more detail, yes, both stack options are very similar in output, I would say that the full depth of tone with the dual 15" stack is beyond impressive.
What you do get with the BA15-3 SLT / BA210-3 SLT stack is the depth of the 15" but there is much more low/mid - mid clarity from this combination which really does cut through in the live setting. I also think that the tone that @Joeykun gets in a couple of the video's he's put out is really enhanced but this combination of cabinets.

If your tonal needs were more in the dub tone or reggae realm I would lean towards the dual 15" stack.

Hope this offers some insight.

BA210-3 STR/BA15-3 SLT referencing the coupling of the line arrays in both cabs.

@dwellers ----- I also think this is one of the best combinations we offer. I too like the punch of the 2x10 cab up on top of the BA15-3SLT. And the flexibility you mention with 2 different types of cabs --- for your various needs or tonal moods. My personal favorite is the BA210-3 (straight) on top of the slanted BA15-3SLT. Like any of our SLANT/STRAIGHT combinations, I like the SLANT on the floor and STRAIGHT on top. This makes both baffles in the same 6 degree "slanted plane" which aligns the baffles in a direct couple, along with both arrays. This is totally subjective and many like different variations but that's just me..

 

[Laklandfan]

@3rdcurve --- thanks for the question, and this deserves an honest answer ---- I have never been a fan of 15" cabs. In our GB days back in the mid 80's, we did start offering a 15" small cube and a few variations but those were never for my tastes. I think that is why in the early 90's we were among the first to transition to 12" based cab designs, etc.
When we developed the Bass Array design, many players were asking about a 15" version, and maybe I was dragging my feet on that.
BUT --- once we developed this cabinet design it really blew away all of the things I disliked about 15" designs.

So when we started combining various BA cab models, I thought I would naturally lean towards the BA15-3 SLT / BA210-3 SLT combination ----- which I do like very much. What really impressed me when using side x side, was the dual BA15-3 SLT stack.

To answer your question in more detail, yes, both stack options are very similar in output, I would say that the full depth of tone with the dual 15" stack is beyond impressive.
What you do get with the BA15-3 SLT / BA210-3 SLT stack is the depth of the 15" but there is much more low/mid - mid clarity from this combination which really does cut through in the live setting. I also think that the tone that @Joeykun gets in a couple of the video's he's put out is really enhanced but this combination of cabinets.

If your tonal needs were more in the dub tone or reggae realm I would lean towards the dual 15" stack.

Hope this offers some insight.

How do you feel a dual 210-3 stack would compare to the others you mentioned? I was thinking of dual 15, which is what I currently use and has plenty clarity for me, but I don’t want to be limited to reggae/dub tone. Sometimes I only bring 1 cab, would a 210 or 115 output more to cover the stage and some of the room? The 410 doesn’t have a slant option, right?

 

[Joeykun]

No SLT on the BA410-3. But, a single 410-3 (especially Series 2) is the ultimate 1 cab solution!!

 

[shakerattleroll]

Thanx for the responses folks… keep ‘em coming

I do have a concern about the BA210 cabs. The price is a bit lower than I would expect. The seller says they are pretty much like new condition and not payed much. He does live in the middle of nowhere and is an hour from me. Were there ever any copy cats of these cabs? Anyone making fake Genzler cabs?

Saw the same ad, smoking deal. Get them so I'm not tempted to drive all the way down there for cabs I don't really need!

 

[Bassi5t]

Saw the same ad, smoking deal. Get them so I'm not tempted to drive all the way down there for cabs I don't really need!

I will once I sell my powerhouse 212

 

[PhishPhan22]

It's about the line array "coupling" but I'll let Jeff answer on my behalf;

BA210-3 SLT/BA15-3 SLT (as compared to 2 BA15-3 SLTs)


BA210-3 STR/BA15-3 SLT referencing the coupling of the line arrays in both cabs.

Jeff has been amazing at answering a million questions I had about doing this combo vs a 4x10. I was also told the STR would be better with the 2x10 on top of the 15” STL. I know it’s about aligning the arrays but to what end Jeff would def be able to answer that but I imagine “especially”’with series 2 seeming to but more bite in the highs and mids on tweeters. You’ll get more cut an just high frequency’s pushing through the tweeters an then more growl punch can come through the 10” speakers. Just my Stabs I also feel like the little array speakers help with fx. Like I use a phaser envelope filter an stuff like that so I feel like with those fx maybe those little guys help take some
Of the higher end frequencies through them. I have 2x1 15” an honestly it’s not bad it’s a little to much punch an low for my jam style
Music but really shocking how much I can get out of the 15” even series 1.

 

[PhishPhan22]

So I have a EQ question. How do most of you with active preamps in your bass or if you use pedal set up your Eqs? Why I ask? My Spector Euro has a darkglass pre an a ton of bass on tap. I could cut the bass on the head all the way turn up on my bass an almost have enough for FOH still. Obvi I don’t do think. I had a jazz bass which was really just plug an go especially with the genzler magellan head. Set everything about noon a contour to taste BOOM. Ready to go. These hot active Preamps are a little tougher. I feel like when I give more on the bass the pickups an bass come to life but do I want the bass coming from the bass guitsr that much or do you want it more so through the head? I’m assuming the answer is both an or the head. But im just curious how alot of you guys set up your Eqs with hot preamps?

 

[noahw1]

I have a Sadowsky preamp and I usually have my bass eq about noon on the amp with a slight boost on the bass. For me it gives the bass the oomph it needs that I wasn't getting when I boosted the bass eq on the amp.

 

[Sid the Kid]

No SLT on the BA410-3. But, a single 410-3 (especially Series 2) is the ultimate 1 cab solution!!

I have a series one 410-3 coming tomorrow and 4 gigs this weekend, can’t wait to test your claim!

 

[ImTheOnlyOne]

Jeff has been amazing at answering a million questions... Just my Stabs I also feel like the little array speakers help with fx. Like I use a phaser envelope filter an stuff like that so I feel like with those fx maybe those little guys help take some
Of the higher end frequencies through them.

Agreed - the BA cabinets have been a delight with modulation and time based effects. Terrific ability to deliver a sense of depth.

 

[Joeykun]

I have a series one 410-3 coming tomorrow and 4 gigs this weekend, can’t wait to test your claim!

Get ready to slay!

 

[Jeff Genzler]

How do you feel a dual 210-3 stack would compare to the others you mentioned? I was thinking of dual 15, which is what I currently use and has plenty clarity for me, but I don’t want to be limited to reggae/dub tone. Sometimes I only bring 1 cab, would a 210 or 115 output more to cover the stage and some of the room? The 410 doesn’t have a slant option, right?

@Laklandfan --- regarding your question, if you're considering the new Series 2 BA210-3 cabs I would offer that a dual cab stack would surprise you as to how deep and full the LF would be along with the quickness and clarity of the mids and highs. I've always felt that dual 2x10 BA cabs offer a more wide and broad fullness. The Series 2 just makes that deeper and more articulate.
Hope this helps.

 

[ImTheOnlyOne]

Two SLT is where I'm leaning, unless I hear a better recommendation.

Making good on this ideation. Picking up a second BA12-3-SLT this weekend.

Meanwhile, just pondering...
Bass Arrays position the array in front of the cab's primary speaker. Why not design as a modular array stick and sub, similar to a Bose L1 and other PAs?

Single-box benefits I imagine: makes mic-ing easier, maybe reinforces the low end of the 3" drivers, requires fewer moving parts, distinct aesthetics, and allows easy stacking.

Oh, and I've seen G&L produce some cool "around the shop" videos that promote their products and heritage. YouTube has so many, "HERE WE ARE AT NAMM 20XX WITH JEFF GENZLER READY TO SHOW US HIS LATEST-" [G-DANG G-DANG G-DANG noises of 12 basses compete for attention in the background]

 

[Michael Vee]

Bass Arrays position the array in front of the cab's primary speaker. Why not design as a modular array stick and sub, similar to a Bose L1 and other PAs?

Read this: An Array of Sound | Better Bass Rigs with Jeff Genzler. In it, Jeff said: "Everybody's seeing these stick PA systems with the woofer on the bottom, and line array column pole-mounted on the top. Well, we basically considered that concept, which is very separated, and squished it into one box. ... The column moved up and down the inside of the cabinet, but it was always in the cabinet. But bringing it down to where it sits in front of the woofer was one of the last iterations. I said, “Okay, well, this makes it compact,” which is everything a bass player wants. And it also brought all the sound and the sound pressure right in the center of the box, whether you're talking about a 12" in the line array or a 4x10" line array."

The interview hits on a number of the topics most often asked about in this thread by people who aren't familiar with the Genzler design concepts. A few examples: Why a slant cabinet? What did you see as the opportunities for improvement as you were developing the new Series 2? What type of performance differences would the average player experience between (the Magellan and Nu Classic lines) as compared to the Bass Array line?

Excellent questions and many more that Jeff, as always, took time to answer well. The interview is a must-read. Genzler should add a PDF of it, or a link to it, to their website.