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I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but I provided the backline for two gigs this weekend (6 total bands), and everyone was impressed by the MG 350! It covered a range of styles, sat well in the mix, and made the sound people happy. It's a great amp, especially on the road!

I will add my experience from last weekend. I haven't had a lot of bass work over the last few months but when I do I try to savor them and try out the gear I don't use that often. And my current amp/can setup is am MG800, and MB350 as 'backup, and a Berg HG410X for its size and form. And all have limited time so are so I haven't been able to fully get comfortable or evaluate, especially with a new bass or new pickups in an old bass it's all new into the assortment. My mind says the MG800 with that cab should be the #1. But for the second half of last Saturday's job I swapped in the MG350 and for reasons I can't explain yet I think I preferred it. It's incredibly capable. Hopefully I get out again soon and can test again.
 
I finally got my BA410 series 2 last week and haven't used it at a gig yet but have played it at a decent volume every day since I got it. I'm a tube guy so have used it with both an 85 watt Fender Dual Showman head and a 200 watt Marshall Major bass head. This cab sounds beautiful, for the first time I can walk all around the cab from side to side and still hear the higher mids and high end, that is what sold me me more than it being smaller and lighter than most 410 cabs. I've tried it with a variety of basses including two different P basses (one a '54 RI with Rotos on it) and a Fender Hot Rod P/J. A Rickenbacker 4003S and a Gibson EB-3. All with round wound strings. Every bass so far has sounded punchy and clear as a bell. I may even grab another one of these as I'm so used to SVT 810 bottoms. These cabs have a very nice bottom end too, very apparent with the EB-3. I can't wait to try it with a good clean SVT.
I have one here at my house but it needs a cap job so..... got the caps on the way from Fliptops. I'm not going to drag my other one up these stairs just to try it so it will have to wait. The Marshall sounds so nice with it maybe I'll gig with that. But anyway, I can wholeheartedly recommend these. It also seems efficient but of course I am only going by the volume control settings on these amps, that will have to wait until I get in a big room. I'm very impressed with the overall design and sound of these cabs. Oh and yes, when I got it out of the box and picked it up to bring it upstairs my first reaction was, wow! Is this thing light. I'm so used to 410 cabs that weigh a ton I almost didn't believe my brain at first. Yes, the design and now the sound sold me, the lighter weight is a plus. It sounds like it was advertised, it really does spread your whole bass tone all around rather than just the bottom. That used to always drives me nuts, I would have a nice tone out in front of my cabs but the drummer on the side was just hearing all bottom. 5 stars :thumbsup:
I've been looking hard at the Bass Array line. Off axis dispersion is one the biggest requirements for me. I haven't been able to adequately replace my Fearless 115's that I sold a couple years ago. The Barefaced Super Twin couldn't get there, despite some claims. Those mid drivers seem like they may be the ticket.The one thing that concerns me is how low to the ground the BA's sit. In my head I'd need a pair for best results. The 115 would be my first choice for maximum low end response. Not too many real world experiences with the 212 it seems which could alleviate my worries if it projects well and does a full low end when needed.

Thanks for your experience, though. Look forward to gig review!
 
I've been looking hard at the Bass Array line. Off axis dispersion is one the biggest requirements for me. I haven't been able to adequately replace my Fearless 115's that I sold a couple years ago. The Barefaced Super Twin couldn't get there, despite some claims. Those mid drivers seem like they may be the ticket.The one thing that concerns me is how low to the ground the BA's sit. In my head I'd need a pair for best results. The 115 would be my first choice for maximum low end response. Not too many real world experiences with the 212 it seems which could alleviate my worries if it projects well and does a full low end when needed.

Thanks for your experience, though. Look forward to gig review!
That dispersion was the same reason I bought mine years ago. The icing on the cake is just the overall sound and weight of the cab. Unbeatable for me. My bandmates can confirm….bass is heard all over the stage these days. Was definitely not the case with the traditional 4X10 cabs I used to run. Keep us posted on what you decide.

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That dispersion was the same reason I bought mine years ago. The icing on the cake is just the overall sound and weight of the cab. Unbeatable for me. My bandmates can confirm….bass is heard all over the stage these days. Was definitely not the case with the traditional 4X10 cabs I used to run. Keep us posted on what you decide.

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I appreciate the input! I'll bet your 4x10 kills the traditional cabs with that speaker arrangement. Ideally I'd have two matching cabs (a pair of 115's), one to cover most gigs and another for my rehearsal space to add "just in case". That's a lot of money which is why a single cab would be more realistic. That's what has me interested in the BA212.
 
I've been looking hard at the Bass Array line. Off axis dispersion is one the biggest requirements for me. I haven't been able to adequately replace my Fearless 115's that I sold a couple years ago. The Barefaced Super Twin couldn't get there, despite some claims. Those mid drivers seem like they may be the ticket.The one thing that concerns me is how low to the ground the BA's sit. In my head I'd need a pair for best results. The 115 would be my first choice for maximum low end response. Not too many real world experiences with the 212 it seems which could alleviate my worries if it projects well and does a full low end when needed.

Thanks for your experience, though. Look forward to gig review!
Off axis dispersion is like night and day to me compared to conventional cabs including those with a horn tweeter. I walked from one side to another in front of the cab and heard the high end all the way around. They also sound sweet not harsh like most horn tweeters and they're loud which is easily changed by your amp. I was also impressed with the bottom, I could hear the E fundamental just as loud as any other string. I too will probably end up with two not for any reason other than I've used 810's since 1975.
 
I've been looking hard at the Bass Array line. Off axis dispersion is one the biggest requirements for me. I haven't been able to adequately replace my Fearless 115's that I sold a couple years ago. The Barefaced Super Twin couldn't get there, despite some claims. Those mid drivers seem like they may be the ticket.The one thing that concerns me is how low to the ground the BA's sit. In my head I'd need a pair for best results. The 115 would be my first choice for maximum low end response. Not too many real world experiences with the 212 it seems which could alleviate my worries if it projects well and does a full low end when needed.

Thanks for your experience, though. Look forward to gig review!
I gig with 2 BA12-3's (1st generation, 1 slant & 1 straight) and often add a BA10-2 S2 just because I can. I always get them off the ground even though I have two angled cabs to better point at my ears. I don't see any reason to put them on the floor/ground and have multiple reasons to raise them up a bit. Here's what I use

adjustable height platform/step

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Hi all! Please, could anyone give some experience/impressions about how the gain section of the Kinetix work? Is it like having a drive/overdrive pedal or has it a more "integrated" feel?
Do you get the result of a "blend" control or is it more like a proper saturation (since it has a tube-pre)?
Maybe is just a trivial question given the quality of this amp, for what I read, but I'm gathering as more informations I can
Thanks
 
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Hi all! Please, could anyone give some experience/impressions about how the gain section of the Kinetix work? Is it like having a drive/overdrive pedal or has it a more "integrated" feel?
Do you get the result of a "blend" control or is it more like a proper saturation (since it has a tube-pre)?
Maybe is just a trivial question given the quality of this amp, for what I read, but I'm gathering as more informations I can
Thanks
It actually gives you a ton of options. I love the combination of Gain, Volume, and Master controls, as this does let you really dial in the level and amount of preamp tube drive. This is further supported by the Lean/Fat/Thick switch, as well as the Boost switch. They all work very well together to let you dial in everything from a "clean, with some added harmonic excitement" to full-on saturation. The 5-band EQ then lets you further shape the overdriven tone. It's not quite at the level of my most aggressive overdrive pedals, but it covers a lot of "musical" ground and can definitely get some grit/grind/hair going on.
 
Glad to hear that. I have to replace my all tubes amp (SVT CL) and this kind of harmonics richness is what I'm looking for. Some grit is exactly what I need as my base sound, for overdriven/fuzzy sounds I have my trusty pedals!
I'm considering also the Mesa Subway 800D and Sisma by Jad Freer Audio but the Kinetix keeps coming back in my mind and since we are almost ready to record an album it's also the only one available in a brief time...
I don't know, it's obviously impossible to realize watching only sample videos on youtube, but it seems it can give you sounds that I'm not used to and it could be a nice surprise and new approach...
I'm only worried in case of failure how it is the assistance service, here in Italy is a not-to-be-found amp :banghead:
 
Glad to hear that. I have to replace my all tubes amp (SVT CL) and this kind of harmonics richness is what I'm looking for. Some grit is exactly what I need as my base sound, for overdriven/fuzzy sounds I have my trusty pedals!
I'm considering also the Mesa Subway 800D and Sisma by Jad Freer Audio but the Kinetix keeps coming back in my mind and since we are almost ready to record an album it's also the only one available in a brief time...
I don't know, it's obviously impossible to realize watching only sample videos on youtube, but it seems it can give you sounds that I'm not used to and it could be a nice surprise and new approach...
I'm only worried in case of failure how it is the assistance service, here in Italy is a not-to-be-found amp :banghead:
I'd reach out to Mr. Jeff Genzler on here and he should be able to let you know what options you will have in Europe if something goes sideways.
 
Glad to hear that. I have to replace my all tubes amp (SVT CL) and this kind of harmonics richness is what I'm looking for. Some grit is exactly what I need as my base sound, for overdriven/fuzzy sounds I have my trusty pedals!
I'm considering also the Mesa Subway 800D and Sisma by Jad Freer Audio but the Kinetix keeps coming back in my mind and since we are almost ready to record an album it's also the only one available in a brief time...
I don't know, it's obviously impossible to realize watching only sample videos on youtube, but it seems it can give you sounds that I'm not used to and it could be a nice surprise and new approach...
I'm only worried in case of failure how it is the assistance service, here in Italy is a not-to-be-found amp :banghead:
@fuzzspiral II ---thank you for your interest in our Kinetix 800. Im sure yoi know it is available through Thomann and I would not be concerned about any issues about potential service issues. We stand behind our products globally. We have an EU distributor that we can assist through. Feel free to send me a PM here or email me from our website if you have specific questions about your needs.
 
There is a vast difference in the normal life span of preamp tubes as opposed to the life of power tubes. Preamp tubes typically last for many 1,000's of hours so most of us will never expect to have tube problems with heads that have preamp tube(s).

I presently own three heads with preamp tubes: Subway WD-800, Subway 800D and the Kinetix. In addition I have owned many Genz-Benz heads including Shuttle, Shuttlemax and Streamliner and have not yet had a preamp tube go bad.

I would not let the fact that the Kinetix has preamp tubes worry me. The sonic benefits are fantastic.
 
@fuzzspiral II ---thank you for your interest in our Kinetix 800. Im sure yoi know it is available through Thomann and I would not be concerned about any issues about potential service issues. We stand behind our products globally. We have an EU distributor that we can assist through. Feel free to send me a PM here or email me from our website if you have specific questions about your needs.
Yes, is in fact available on thomann, in this case I will send you a message for sure, thanks a lot for the answer!
 

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