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Genzler Amplification ! New Genz Benz ?

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I think part of the reason might be rooted in tradition. Speaking for myself, I don't like the harshness of a horn in some cabs. For the most part, I turn them off or turn them up to 25%. Some might be of the pretense that horn loaded cabs are harsher In the midrange/high crossover point.

But, knowing Jeff, I don't think this is something he didn't consider. I would blindly bet that you couldn't go wrong with either cab. I imagine the Magellan cabs are slightly more sizzley.
 
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From my experience, the Magellan cuts more and balance out better. The Arrays are more boomy/vintage. "To me", if I need straight bottom end vintage, the arrays are great. But, I just needed something more versatile. So, I sold the arrays and got the Magellans.
 
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kringle77 said:
There have been a few here who moved on from their array cabs who liked them but, in the end they felt the cabs were actually "too smooth" and didn't have the growl that they were used to from a regular cab. Would these folks be better served with the magellan cabs? Or, maybe they would have liked the array with the woofer running full range? I haven't used the array myself but, would love to. But, I have to buy to try and shipping cabs is a pain and risky sometimes. I have a carvin column array system that uses the same 3" driver. I have run one column crossed at 800hz, sitting in front of various cabs to get a rough idea of what the arrays sound like. I'm always split. I love the dispersion and smooth treble but, I myself miss the growl of a full range driver. So, I have a feeling that I may prefer a magellan cab. In thinking about an mg212t and mg112t stack. I have an mg800 on order.
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FWIW, I found that (for whatever reason) one BA12-3 has a very warm/round/smooth vibe, two BA12-3's still sounds warm/smooth, but definitely seems more articulate and precise, and three BA12-3's has a full, warm, balanced tone, but with a strong sense of articulation from top to bottom. It doesn't get quite into "growl" territory on its own, but it will reproduce "growl" if you get from another source in your signal chain. In short, two BA12-3's does sound a little too smooth for my own personal preferences, but three absolutely does not.
 
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John D Harris said:
Question for Jeff G, On the MG-n12T cabs, as you roll down the tweeter control, does it act as a low-pass filter when you get to the 'Off' position?
My understanding is most crossovers work this way.
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I'm not sure I understand the question but with the MG212T, we use a tweeter protection network so there is no low pass filter on the woofers. We love the natural mid and top end of this premium 12" driver that we designed out network to take advantage of this and with the tweeter we're using it offers an smooth transition to the upper range the tweeter offers.
So if your choice is to use very little or no tweeter you're still getting all of the full range response that the woofers produce.
With this dual 12 model the throatiness of the coupled drivers is what most players have enjoyed from this Magellan cab.
 
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Jeff Genzler said:
I'm not sure I understand the question but with the MG212T, we use a tweeter protection network so there is no low pass filter on the woofers. We love the natural mid and top end of this premium 12" driver that we designed out network to take advantage of this and with the tweeter we're using it offers an smooth transition to the upper range the tweeter offers.
So if your choice is to use very little or no tweeter you're still getting all of the full range response that the woofers produce.
With this dual 12 model the throatiness of the coupled drivers is what most players have enjoyed from this Magellan cab.
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Yeah, that's what I was wondering about - Thanks!
Great design!
 
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Jeff Genzler said:
I'm not sure I understand the question but with the MG212T, we use a tweeter protection network so there is no low pass filter on the woofers. We love the natural mid and top end of this premium 12" driver that we designed out network to take advantage of this and with the tweeter we're using it offers an smooth transition to the upper range the tweeter offers.
So if your choice is to use very little or no tweeter you're still getting all of the full range response that the woofers produce.
With this dual 12 model the throatiness of the coupled drivers is what most players have enjoyed from this Magellan cab.
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That explains the charts in BGM :)
 
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tombowlus said:
FWIW, I found that (for whatever reason) one BA12-3 has a very warm/round/smooth vibe, two BA12-3's still sounds warm/smooth, but definitely seems more articulate and precise, and three BA12-3's has a full, warm, balanced tone, but with a strong sense of articulation from top to bottom. It doesn't get quite into "growl" territory on its own, but it will reproduce "growl" if you get from another source in your signal chain. In short, two BA12-3's does sound a little too smooth for my own personal preferences, but three absolutely does not.
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I am certainly not an expert in what is growl and what is phat, etc.

I personally look for phat and growly in the lows and low mids, and I am happiest when the upper mids and highs are phat but smoother.

Between my Dingwalls and my Monique with Hypex 700, I have all of the controlled low end extension and phatness with low mid growl that I want. I do agree that as you move into the upper mids and high mids and beyond, the Bass Array is quite smooth but still phat. That makes me very happy, especially given the clear highs produced by my Dingwalls.

But I could see where others would like more growl in the higher frequency ranges.
 
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seansbrew said:
I think part of the reason might be rooted in tradition. Speaking for myself, I don't like the harshness of a horn in some cabs. For the most part, I turn them off or turn them up to 25%. Some might be of the pretense that horn loaded cabs are harsher In the midrange/high crossover point.

But, knowing Jeff, I don't think this is something he didn't consider. I would blindly bet that you couldn't go wrong with either cab. I imagine the Magellan cabs are slightly more sizzley.
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Thanks for using the Bass Array cabs. Regarding the Magellan cabs---especially the MG-112T, while they are more traditional in their woofer/tweeter design (and cousins to other designs I've produced over the years) I would not classify them as "sizzley". We've chosen a tweeter we have used for years which is a smaller format, smoother response component. It also offers Ferro-fluid in the voice coil gap which along with providing higher power handling, also smooths the response, making more pleasing to the ear.
While I would say that he MG-112T offers a more traditional "scooped" response, the top end of this model is not as "stark" as many 1x12 & Tweeter designs.
Certainly next to the BA cabs the MG offers a very different perspective. For me it is all in how the array reproduces and projects in the BA cab as compared to how the Magellan's 12" woofer reproduces those frequencies.
It should be noted that the BA112T and MG-112T 12" woofer chambers are the exact same cubic volume and ported the same. It's the flavor of the entire cabinet design that really gives each model it's signature response and character.
I hope this is helpful.
 
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I got the chance to play my Genzler 800 and 2 of the arrays again this morning in a large venue and it simply killed it again. I never thought I would ever get the tone I have right now with my bass rig. It fills good to have people come up afterwards and compliment on your sound. I'm hoping to be able to use all 3 this coming week for the first time once it comes in this week. Simply put this setup amazes me more every time I use it.
 
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BuffaloBob4343 said:
I am certainly not an expert in what is growl and what is phat, etc.

I personally look for phat and growly in the lows and low mids, and I am happiest when the upper mids and highs are phat but smoother.

Between my Dingwalls and my Monique with Hypex 700, I have all of the controlled low end extension and phatness with low mid growl that I want. I do agree that as you move into the upper mids and high mids and beyond, the Bass Array is quite smooth but still phat. That makes me very happy, especially given the clear highs produced by my Dingwalls.

But I could see where others would like more growl in the higher frequency ranges.
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tombowlus said:
FWIW, I found that (for whatever reason) one BA12-3 has a very warm/round/smooth vibe, two BA12-3's still sounds warm/smooth, but definitely seems more articulate and precise, and three BA12-3's has a full, warm, balanced tone, but with a strong sense of articulation from top to bottom. It doesn't get quite into "growl" territory on its own, but it will reproduce "growl" if you get from another source in your signal chain. In short, two BA12-3's does sound a little too smooth for my own personal preferences, but three absolutely does not.
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I also agree that the BA allows you to dial some of that back in by reproducing what you give it. The Monique has a Sensitivity knob that puts some growl and edge on the upper mids, and I find myself keeping everything else mostly flat and using that knob to season the upper mids to taste, depending upon which bass I'm playing.
 
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Bassworship1 said:
Question for those in the know. My 3rd Genzler Array will be in tomorrow and I plan on trying all 3 this weekend at a larger gig. Will I need to switch the Genzler 800 head to thee 2ohm load on the back?
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Alphaman said:
What does the 2 ohm switch actually do? turn on another fan? activate a larger circuit? threaten the magic smoke not to rear its ugly head?
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All good guesses, but not quite. We provide the Impedance switch on the rear panel to balance internal circuitry for either 8/4 ohm operation OR the lower 2.67 ohms. When using a 2.67 ohm load using the switch in the proper position optimizes our Limiter and Soft Clip thresholds for the lower impedance operation.
As for the increased demand on the amplifier, our thermal management design automatically ramps up the fan speed to compensate for heavier duty as well as environmental demands.
 
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