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Get off my LAWN! "Grumpy Old Farts"

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Never liked the song(sorry)but the lip syncing performance was...uh, interesting. Especially the flautist[I play flute, mediocre-ly] with his hands in the wrong position, "playing" it from the end, etc. As usual, the cameras are allergic to bass players.:banghead:
I didn't watch it this time, but I remember seeing that. They were doing a big old F-U to the producers who didn't want a live video, I guess.

I know that many people hear this song and say it sounds like Kermit the Frog singing, however I"m pretty sure this was recorded long before Kermit was more than a twinkle in Jim Henson's eye :)
 
You DID NOT fail. It sounds like the guy doesn't really know what he wants. KEEP THE MONEY. Your time is valuable as a professional bass player. But yes, move on and let him find another innocent victim that won't be able to fulfil his needs. Really. Count this as a strike out by him, not you.
Thanks, guys. I was pretty unhappy over this session but I've realized that I really, intensely dislike being under a microscope with what I play. Normally I just play whatever comes and people are pretty happy with it. I've gotten spoiled. It seems like once things go south I lose my confidence, and that part really IS my problem, but I reckon I'm too old to change any of that. I'm probably much happier playing live unless it's my own (or my own band's) original music that's being recorded.
 
I didn't watch it this time, but I remember seeing that. They were doing a big old F-U to the producers who didn't want a live video, I guess.

I know that many people hear this song and say it sounds like Kermit the Frog singing, however I"m pretty sure this was recorded long before Kermit was more than a twinkle in Jim Henson's eye :)
Nah. Kermit woulda sung "Piggy, do you wanna go".:smug:
 
Ugh. I just quit a project I was involved with. Was a recording project where the guy said he wanted to do simple Americana; I showed up the first day and played flawlessly over two songs, added some background vocals, and then he wanted a third song which had a funk rhythm, so I played some funky stuff and it was "too many notes." Then he kind of sang what he wanted, which was exactly what I had played, so I just moved down to a lower register to play it, but it still wasn't right for him. So I thought, well, maybe he wants some more traditional type blues stuff, which I tried to do, but I could just never connect with that song in a way that worked for him. It left me feeling flustered and guilty for taking his money, and self-conscious about the next session. Then he asked me if I could slap (?) and i'm like (to myself), that is not really what I came out here expecting to be asked for an Americana / blues roots kind of thing.

I ended up trying to rework the lines in my home studio, he's still not happy, so I decided today to text him that he needs to find someone else. What that song actually needed was a strong drummer to really bring up the funkiness of the rhythm, which would have allowed the funky bassline to find a home in the pocket. I told him that, and I know the right guy to do it. But I could see nothing I did after that was going to make him happy.

I hate failing. He graciously offered to let me keep the payments but I'm going to send them back; it will feel better that way. I don't care if he uses any of the other work or not. I'm just happy to have this off my back.

You didn’t fail. Communication is very important and I get the impression that he didn’t know what he wanted. He should have done more planning and pre-production work. That’s not your fault.

He was paying you for your time. You showed up, worked the session, did what you were asked to do. He should pay for that. If he chooses to not use it, that’s his decision.

I’ve seen people pull all kinds of stunts. Get what they want, then complain and try to get the session for less. Just saying.

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You didn’t fail. Communication is very important and I get the impression that he didn’t know what he wanted. He should have done more planning and pre-production work. That’s not your fault.

He was paying you for your time. You showed up, worked the session, did what you were asked to do. He should pay for that. If he chooses to not use it, that’s his decision.

I’ve seen people pull all kinds of stunts. Get what they want, then complain and try try to get the session for less. Just saying.

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Out of desperation yesterday, after I spent the better part of the day trying to record something he might like, I asked him to just record the part he wanted on the guitar and send it to me using his phone. Never got that, so I didn't want to go into the session today to deal with more uncertainty and no time to figure out his line. Maybe the reason he didn't send it was because he didn't know how to play it, either. I don't know. He just said he wanted something to "go against" what the vocals were doing, but when I tried to play lines like that the bass sounded stupid in the spaces, and that's why it needed stronger drums. But whatever.
 
"Cures" for consumption more reflected the ideals of the national culture than reflected the science of a cure. Of course there were not actually any cures until the advent of antibacterial drugs. A case of TB was a death sentence then. The English put their TB patients to hard work and the Swiss gave their patients fresh mountain air and lots and lots of food.

One of these two cures is worth a TB gig report.
I have a Swiss connection; as to the English, you're on your own ................ :D
Ugh. I just quit a project I was involved with. Was a recording project where the guy said he wanted to do simple Americana; I showed up the first day and played flawlessly over two songs, added some background vocals, and then he wanted a third song which had a funk rhythm, so I played some funky stuff and it was "too many notes." Then he kind of sang what he wanted, which was exactly what I had played, so I just moved down to a lower register to play it, but it still wasn't right for him. So I thought, well, maybe he wants some more traditional type blues stuff, which I tried to do, but I could just never connect with that song in a way that worked for him. It left me feeling flustered and guilty for taking his money, and self-conscious about the next session. Then he asked me if I could slap (?) and i'm like (to myself), that is not really what I came out here expecting to be asked for an Americana / blues roots kind of thing.

I ended up trying to rework the lines in my home studio, he's still not happy, so I decided today to text him that he needs to find someone else. What that song actually needed was a strong drummer to really bring up the funkiness of the rhythm, which would have allowed the funky bassline to find a home in the pocket. I told him that, and I know the right guy to do it. But I could see nothing I did after that was going to make him happy.

I hate failing. He graciously offered to let me keep the payments but I'm going to send them back; it will feel better that way. I don't care if he uses any of the other work or not. I'm just happy to have this off my back.

You DID NOT fail. It sounds like the guy doesn't really know what he wants. KEEP THE MONEY. Your time is valuable as a professional bass player. But yes, move on and let him find another innocent victim that won't be able to fulfil his needs. Really. Count this as a strike out by him, not you.

As usual, Will was able to type what I was going to say faster than I could! How'd you do that, Will? :D
 
I have a Swiss connection; as to the English, you're on your own ................ :D




As usual, Will was able to type what I was going to say faster than I could! How'd you do that, Will? :D
One of my job duties is typing emails all day long to staff lol, and besides, great minds think alike! :thumbsup:
 
Update on the recording thing: He just finished tracking the two songs that I did first, and he's going to use those tracks; says he really likes the finished product. So I think I will keep his payment for those and send back the payment for the unproductive sessions (which include an advance payment for today). Since he told me to keep it, he should be ok with me keeping half. I guess I can consider it a win for those two, anyway.
 
Thanks, guys. I was pretty unhappy over this session but I've realized that I really, intensely dislike being under a microscope with what I play. Normally I just play whatever comes and people are pretty happy with it. I've gotten spoiled. It seems like once things go south I lose my confidence, and that part really IS my problem, but I reckon I'm too old to change any of that. I'm probably much happier playing live unless it's my own (or my own band's) original music that's being recorded.


You're pro. And who might imagine there are flakes in the music business?

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He might be a flake, but he really is a genuinely nice guy, and I hate that I couldn't provide what he needed. Hopefully he'll find someone who will get whatever it is he's going after better than I did.

You were there and know him, so taking your word on it :)

"Hopefully he'll find someone who will get whatever it is he's going after"
kinda sounds like relationship stuff :)
 
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