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Get off my LAWN! "Grumpy Old Farts"

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I can see athletes wanting a bigger piece of the mega pie, after all they are the talent. But I assume that each and every one of them is on a full scholarship with food, housing and extras supplied.

Are they really graduating in the hole?

You're on target as far as food and housing. However, extras are not supplied, including out of pocket money. In fact, scholarship athletes are tightly restricted from having other employment, and many of them have essentially no other income. I don't fully understand the constraints, but it does get ridiculous in its lack of flexibility.

One NCAA bylaw, better known as the bagel rule, permits schools to offer bagels, fruits and nuts to athletes at any time. An interpretation, however, prohibited offering spreads such as cream cheese or peanut butter with the bagels. Bagels OK, add cream cheese and you have an instant NCAA rule violation!

Let's say Joe is from a near-poverty level income family (which is not unusual in some sports); the only reason he can attend college is the scholarship. He learns that his mom is dying of cancer. Not only can't the school buy him a ticket to get home before she dies, if a coach drives him to the airport for a red-eye flight home, he can't even buy him a burger before the flight.

How'd you like to be the NCAA rule enforcement official at a university and try to monitor all this minutiae???

Of course, all of these rules came about because of egregious acts by some schools. But the thing we keep missing in our society is that we can't enact rules to guard against everything. Some things need to be dealt with individually, and we don't need to create a rule to try and prevent every possible stupid or corrupt act.
 
Hadda post a G.O.F. message in my local CL today...
I passed my limit on postings that want to give you a page of text featuring what they want, aspirations and direction, influences, personal tolerances (all of which are fine under the heading of 'more information is good') only to end with "Ages 25-35."
Ah yes...the wall I kept hitting....Ageism is very strong in our industry....another reason I should stick to Reggae and Blues bands...age is respected
 
Ah yes...the wall I kept hitting....Ageism is very strong in our industry....
And it always has been, so I'm not tilting at windmills about that. Just don't waste my time...
...stick to Reggae and Blues bands...age is respected
And to an extent, 'Classic Rock' (which when I heard it the first time was just 'Rock...') and Outlaw Country, like the band I just joined. ("Modern" Country, which is 'rock with boots' is a whole different thing...)
 
You're on target as far as food and housing. However, extras are not supplied, including out of pocket money. In fact, scholarship athletes are tightly restricted from having other employment, and many of them have essentially no other income. I don't fully understand the constraints, but it does get ridiculous in its lack of flexibility.

One NCAA bylaw, better known as the bagel rule, permits schools to offer bagels, fruits and nuts to athletes at any time. An interpretation, however, prohibited offering spreads such as cream cheese or peanut butter with the bagels. Bagels OK, add cream cheese and you have an instant NCAA rule violation!

Let's say Joe is from a near-poverty level income family (which is not unusual in some sports); the only reason he can attend college is the scholarship. He learns that his mom is dying of cancer. Not only can't the school buy him a ticket to get home before she dies, if a coach drives him to the airport for a red-eye flight home, he can't even buy him a burger before the flight.

How'd you like to be the NCAA rule enforcement official at a university and try to monitor all this minutiae???

Of course, all of these rules came about because of egregious acts by some schools. But the thing we keep missing in our society is that we can't enact rules to guard against everything. Some things need to be dealt with individually, and we don't need to create a rule to try and prevent every possible stupid or corrupt act.

Yes, it must be stricter now. Yet there are still scandals with coaches and administrators lining their pockets. At one time some were offered the loan of a vehicle with gas paid. I suppose the “loan” was a way around any rules. Rich alumni had/have ways of offering things under the table such as joining them on the boats for private cruises. This came up during the recent admissions scandal.
 
Yes, it must be stricter now. Yet there are still scandals with coaches and administrators lining their pockets. At one time some were offered the loan of a vehicle with gas paid. I suppose the “loan” was a way around any rules. Rich alumni had/have ways of offering things under the table such as joining them on the boats for private cruises. This came up during the recent admissions scandal.

Yes, it's still happening. Any rule that the NCAA makes, someone can find a way to end-run it. I remember hearing a report in the last week of cars being supplied to athletes under some new dodge. Heck, I could probably figure out a way to let someone use a car as part of unpaid volunteer work.

Most of these deals are found out, but then the NCAA pastes another rule on instead of just dealing with it and moving on.

I could go on, but this is a bass forum. Let's just say that the NCAA needs considerable change and leave it at that.
 
Hadda post a G.O.F. message in my local CL today...
I passed my limit on postings that want to give you a page of text featuring what they want, aspirations and direction, influences, personal tolerances (all of which are fine under the heading of 'more information is good') only to end with "Ages 25-35."
Saw one of these yesterday. A tribute band that wants players under 40 because they want to portray that band "at that point in their career." Why not just come out and say you don't want doddering, old, low-tech fools on stage?
 
Saw one of these yesterday. A tribute band that wants players under 40 because they want to portray that band "at that point in their career." Why not just come out and say you don't want doddering, old, low-tech fools on stage?

(snicker) Let's see a Beatles tribute band, early career, where everyone is under 23.
 
McCartney turned 40 in 1982.

This is from his web site: Tours

There was Live Aid in 1985, Princes Trust All-Star Rock Concert in 1986, The Paul McCartney World Tour in 1989, Surprise Shows Tour in 1991, The New World Tour in 1993. There were tours before, during, and after his 40’s. During his 40’s he also put out albums and videos.

There wasn’t a decade that he didn’t tour since going solo in 1972.
 
World class student orchestras and bands aren't the same money pipelines for universities that other student investments are. Some music programs turn out pretty fine graduates but they're at nowhere the earning potential as amateur athletes who go pro.
 
You're on target as far as food and housing. However, extras are not supplied, including out of pocket money. In fact, scholarship athletes are tightly restricted from having other employment, and many of them have essentially no other income. I don't fully understand the constraints, but it does get ridiculous in its lack of flexibility.

One NCAA bylaw, better known as the bagel rule, permits schools to offer bagels, fruits and nuts to athletes at any time. An interpretation, however, prohibited offering spreads such as cream cheese or peanut butter with the bagels. Bagels OK, add cream cheese and you have an instant NCAA rule violation!

Let's say Joe is from a near-poverty level income family (which is not unusual in some sports); the only reason he can attend college is the scholarship. He learns that his mom is dying of cancer. Not only can't the school buy him a ticket to get home before she dies, if a coach drives him to the airport for a red-eye flight home, he can't even buy him a burger before the flight.

How'd you like to be the NCAA rule enforcement official at a university and try to monitor all this minutiae???

Of course, all of these rules came about because of egregious acts by some schools. But the thing we keep missing in our society is that we can't enact rules to guard against everything. Some things need to be dealt with individually, and we don't need to create a rule to try and prevent every possible stupid or corrupt act.
How 'bout a rule to eliminate rules?
 
World class student orchestras and bands aren't the same money pipelines for universities that other student investments are. Some music programs turn out pretty fine graduates but they're at nowhere the earning potential as amateur athletes who go pro.
I've often wondered what happens to all the music majors that graduate each year. Tens of thousands of them.:wacky:
 
You're on target as far as food and housing. However, extras are not supplied, including out of pocket money. In fact, scholarship athletes are tightly restricted from having other employment, and many of them have essentially no other income. I don't fully understand the constraints, but it does get ridiculous in its lack of flexibility.

One NCAA bylaw, better known as the bagel rule, permits schools to offer bagels, fruits and nuts to athletes at any time. An interpretation, however, prohibited offering spreads such as cream cheese or peanut butter with the bagels. Bagels OK, add cream cheese and you have an instant NCAA rule violation!

Let's say Joe is from a near-poverty level income family (which is not unusual in some sports); the only reason he can attend college is the scholarship. He learns that his mom is dying of cancer. Not only can't the school buy him a ticket to get home before she dies, if a coach drives him to the airport for a red-eye flight home, he can't even buy him a burger before the flight.

How'd you like to be the NCAA rule enforcement official at a university and try to monitor all this minutiae???

Of course, all of these rules came about because of egregious acts by some schools. But the thing we keep missing in our society is that we can't enact rules to guard against everything. Some things need to be dealt with individually, and we don't need to create a rule to try and prevent every possible stupid or corrupt act.

If one reads the NCAA rules with the thought in mind that the rules exist to protect the interests of young people, the rules make no sense whatsoever.

However, if one reads the same rules with the thought in mind that the rules are there to protect the NCAA’s revenue stream, the the rules make perfect sense.
 
Haha, one time I was on a college campus and I saw a freshman with an instrument case. I yelled out the window, "Don't do it! Major in anything else!"
Really. How many jr or sr HS jobs are there? And at many schools in FL, band is an after school activity. When I was in HS, I had 3 periods of instrumental music: orchestra, concert band, and(ugh)marching band.
 
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