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Get off my LAWN! "Grumpy Old Farts"

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iiipopes said:
I can either play bass (guitar, upright or tuba) or sing. Doing both is quite a chore (don't go there with the tuba). I don't do pedals. I guess that's why I never was interested in drums, but it also means you can forget my playing pipe organ as well. When I do end up playing keys, even at church, I usually play with the melody and chord in the right hand and the left hand doing the bass line in octaves, like the English did playing their keyboards from 1660 to 1840 before they put what we would call a "modern" pedal board on their organs.

Talk about grumpy: the debate raged from @1800 to @1850 over these "new-fangled" pedals, as there were no real standards as to the console layout. They were the ultimate grumpy players.

Think about it: what if, in order to play, you had to play the house instrument for every gig you played in each different venue, and each instrument was different: the number of strings, the length of scale, the number of frets, the placement of the pickups, the position of the tuners, the width of the nut and bridge, different kinds, ages and conditions of strings, the amplification, the overall condition of the instrument, including a buzzing fret or dead spot here or there, but each in a different place, and you had to wait on their repairman to come look at it, etc.; nothing was standard; each detail was different for each different instrument at each different place you played.

You would be grumpy, too!
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They were wayyyyy behind the Germans who had pedal organs from at the most the early part of the 16th then......
Bach played on the pedals faster than most players could do with their hands (Pedal - Exercitium BWV 598 circa 1610).
 
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bachlover said:
They were wayyyyy behind the Germans who had pedal organs from at least the latter part of the 16th then......
Bach played on the pedals faster than most players could do with their hands (Pedal - Exercitium BWV 598 circa 1610).
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Indeed. But don't you mean 1735? And even then, it wasn't the full 32 note Willis "radiating and convex" pedal board we have now. Most of the German organs had two octaves, or two octaves and a whole step (CC to D), and they were flat and straight. Also, the continental keyboards were usually only about four octaves.

This is where the insular English tradition took a different turn for those centuries: extended keyboards and doubling the octaves with the left hand. The English keyboards, whether with "short" (skipping those bass notes which did not tune well in mean temperament) or "long" bass octave (omitting only Ab) went from G below the modern C organ keyboard, initially to d about 1700, then later in the century expanded so that by 1800 it was to f on the top, one note shy of a full five octaves.

Then, as a reaction to those advocating independent pedal divisions, the early part of the 19th century saw the great keyboards get insanely long, sometimes all the way from an octave C below to the octave c above, isolated instances of a full six octaves, with duplications of the diapason chorus in efforts to fill the cathedrals, before acoustics were fully understood, and which now seem daft.

Most organs at the end of the insular era, such as the Lincoln at Thaxted, or even some of the early Hill organs after he became independent of Elliot, had a full five octave keyboard from F to f, and an octave or so of offset pedal keys, also starting on F, rarely with any dedicated pipes, and when they did have them, usually only an octave of large scale, open, wood "Pedal Pipes."

The first large notable organ of the "German" system in England was the Birmingham Town Hall organ of 1830's, and it and others were so well received that by 1840 it became the standard for many reasons, including efficiency of use of resources, independence of the bass line, etc., which has carried through to this day.
 
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iii popes - thanks for that informative post! Yes, it would've been circa 1715 as he was born in 1685 and composed the bulk of his keyboard works prior to 1723 when he assumed the role of head cantor in Leipzig at which time, and up to the end of his life (1750) composed mostly vocal works. Interesting and surprising that the pedal influence didn't make it over to England for such a long time. Explains why there's no pedal in the organ works of Handel who spent most of his life there.
 
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My right hand has more a mind of its own than does my left hand or voice, so sometimes I can let that go on a little more of an auto-pilot function and I'm still focusing mostly on only 2 things. If I think about all 3, at some point there will be a brain overload and one of the 3 will screw something up. So, the right hand gets to do whatever it does. Sometimes it may simplify a pattern a little bit if there is a lot of syncopation between the hitting of the notes and the rhythm of the lyrics. Most of the time though it works out alright.
 
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Recap:
"Grumpy Old Farts":

#1 Wcriley
#2 B-String
#3 BassmanPaul
#4 Jeff Scott
#5 Joe Louvar
#6 Dmwphoto
#7 dbase
#8 bassteban
#9 Bassmanmike1
#10 Downunderwonder
#11 vmabus
#12 1bassplayin
#13 bachlover
#14 sharkbait130
#15 moff40
#16 Neener
#17 popgadget
#18 1958Bassman
#19 username1
#20 Steve Dallman
#21 Turock
#22 fishinmuzician
#23 RickenBoogie
#24 wengr
#25 blowinblue
#26 garak7
#27 hsech
#28 Gaolee
#29 ZenG
#30 Woodstockz
#31 abarson
#32 Interceptor
#33 Pako
#34 R Baer
#35 Ajapses
#36 4Mal
#37 gustobassman
#38 Munjibunga
#39 jeffbonny
#40 ScottTunes
#41 rust_preacher
#42 Skeeter1
#43 billgoodwin
#44 Davesound
#45 has been
#46 spankdaplank
#47 bgavin
#48 Spacecase
#49 petrus61
#50 greybeard125
#51 SactoBass
#52 Ken R
#53 TheRealKong
#54 tgriley62
#55 RobJ
#56 Chainsaw Willie
#57 65panhead
#58 Pbass15
#59 drummer5359
#60 Khronic
#61 vickde
#62 Staccato
#63 rfslick
#64 grey area
#65 iiipopes
#66 spiritbass
#67 Russell L
#68 mntngrown
#69 wave rider
#70 Crazy_Climer
#71 Blues Bass 2
#72 lposavad
#73 Matt Dean
#74 ggunn
 
#374
That's it I give in, count me in at number 75.:-)
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#378
Question for Amp Gurus .. Just speculating here. If one had lest say a ( fill in name of amp here) SS amp... With a power supply that had lets say 12,000 uf in the power supply.. Could one add MORE capacitance and bring it up to lets say 20,000 uf or so.. Would that Blow up the supply, or tighten the bottom giving it more headroom?
Or is it just plain stupid thing to do. Thanks.. Ive always wonder about this with my past amps even my old Crown DC300a
 
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