Sadly, topics relating to the environment have been highly p-o-l-i-t-i-c-i-z-e-d over the past 40 years or so. For this reason, I am not stating any opinion here, but ask that for sake of keeping the GOF thread alive, we discontinue this discussion. We have been warned, and I think it's best we heed the warning. We have been given great flexibility here to share and be our grumpy old selves, post OT and we generally don't judge each other. I don't want to see any of us get points, deleted posts, warnings and mostly, I would hate to see the thread get locked. Please go back to our usual grumpiness about life in general, but not the hot and forbidden topics.