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Guitar Scale Acoustic Basses

Well crud ... the addiction is strong with this one! 😆

The Redlands Concert bass is soooo much fun, I'm going to sell it while it's just 3 days old .... to buy the little Martin! 🥳😲

I found out I enjoy playing it enough to justify a Martin finally (the Martin that's actually priced reasonably imo).
That's how much I enjoy the GS basses.
 
So it sounds like the Guild can hold its own, volume-wise, as long as one controls for the feedback at the higher volumes.
Within a certain range.

I’ll put it this way- there’s a reason why the only time Mike Inez used an ABG with Alice Unchained, was on their MTV unplugged set. I can also guarantee you that when you visit a rowdy cowboy bar with a postage-stamp stage, if the guitarist has his Twin Reverb cranked, the bassist won’t be playing an ABG.

I usually run the Guild into a G-K MB200 with the EQ tweaked to be relatively flat, and driving a two-way 12” cab made by AudioKinesis. If I need to push the volume much past 1:00 o’clock, or if I need to bring my 500-watt MBFusion, the Guild stays home.

Something like a Hofner Club or an Allen Woody is actually much easier to work with on loud stages. It also helps to have a relatively flat-response rig. V-shaped EQ curves are not your friend with an ABG in louder settings.
 
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Well crud ... the addiction is strong with this one! 😆

The Redlands Concert bass is soooo much fun, I'm going to sell it while it's just 3 days old .... to buy the little Martin! 🥳😲

I found out I enjoy playing it enough to justify a Martin finally (the Martin that's actually priced reasonably imo).
That's how much I enjoy the GS basses.
Be sure to try out a couple of Martins before you sell the Redlands.

I was sure that I was going to grab the grand concert version, or maybe the dreadnaught when the Martins were released. i drove 2 1/2 hours one way to check out a dealer that had three in stock. String-to-string response was uneven on one, and tonally, none of them competed with the Guild. They had a bit of midrange honk, and the sustain wasn’t as long, or as even.

And that’s not to say that the Guild sets some kind of gold standard.

I bought mine on impulse, just to see how it stacked up against my Ibanez parlour bass (the now-discontinued upscale AVN, not the PNB). When I decided I didn’t need two, they were so evenly matched that it was almost a coin toss as to which one would go.

The Guild had slightly better upper register fret access, a bound body and a nicer looking finish. Plus, they came with the rather nice Guild bag that first year. But the Ibanez’ 2-band EQ gave it a much wider tonal range.
 
Anyone come across one of these?
Cort AB590MF 24.75" Scale

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Cort SJB5F | Bass Series Acoustic Guitar

[edit] correction as pointed out by @SBassman
Cort AB590MF | Bass Series Acoustic Guitar
I scored one recently in as new condition with case included. Haven't really played it much because I hate the strings it comes with, which I assume are the D'addario 37-90 PB strings. Pretty well made. The only issue I have found is some sharp fret ends, which is no biggie.
Not sure what direction to head in strings wise. Flats or tapes.
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@HaphAsSard
I read your post here https://www.talkbass.com/threads/strings-for-a-24-5”-scale-bass.1619745/#post-27751911
And it pretty much sums up the challenges or approaches putting strings on guitar scale basses.
I'm going to see if I can find any flats or tapes that are pretty much the same gauge as the ones on it. I guess there isn't much out there that meet that criteria. I could shorten flats if needed, but tapes are not up to the rigors of shortening without unravelling.
Getting some pointers here too
https://www.talkbass.com/threads/short-scale-bass-strings.1497114/
 
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I read your post here https://www.talkbass.com/threads/strings-for-a-24-5”-scale-bass.1619745/#post-27751911
And it pretty much sums up the challenges or approaches putting strings on guitar scale basses.
I'm going to see if I can find any flats or tapes that are pretty much the same gauge as the ones on it. I guess there isn't much out there that meet that criteria. I could shorten flats if needed, but tapes are not up to the rigors of shortening without unravelling.
Getting some pointers here too
https://www.talkbass.com/threads/short-scale-bass-strings.1497114/
One aspect I didn't touch upon in the first link, being that the OP question was about an old guitar-scale slab with (I guessed) adjustable bridge, but I did in the second as well as numerous times in this thread, i.e. intonation. Assuming your Cort really comes with the usual GSAB D'Addario strings, the bridge has been positioned according to where that nyloncore, bronze-wound set intonates. This means that:

1) steel-core strings of any make, model or gauge, even those that have lately come out for the recent wave of ca23" scale electric uke-basses, will very probably intonate sharp, unless
- you feel like buying double-bass, rope-core strings (you may luck into a special offer on Amazon) and risking their installation, if at all possible (which it might, if you file the tuning post slots wider; I would not go through the centre hole but horizontally through the slot, and I would only cut the string once tuned up)
- you unglue, reposition aways back, and reglue the bridge assembly (bridge pin holes would also require modification), or somehow rework where the saddle sits; a custom, compensated saddle might or might not suffice;

2) per that post, guitar-scale synthetic-core (ergo likely to intonate better as is) flatwound options I'm aware of are
- Pyramid 639 100 (aka Pyramid 235 GS MiniSet; chrome-nickel flatwound over a nylon core; gauges 41-54-075-100)
- Aquila 210U Flat Spirals (varnished copper flatwound on a "Sugar" bioplastic core; 57-72-87-110)
- Kala KA-BASS-4FW-23inch (aka Galli UXB910C-23; nylon-core, chrome-steel flatwound; 60-80-100-130)

3) nylon tapewounds for sub-short scales were only ever made years ago by Pyramid in U-bass scale, and predictably suffered from the above-described intonation problem.
Now, besides their flats, Galli does make another interesting product - nylon core + inner copper thread + black nylon winding - but the outer wrap is actually made of a fine, round-section black nylon thread, not tape. Regardless, you may want to consider giving it a try. Galli UXB810-23 (gauges are, for some reason, a closely-guarded secret).
 
One thing I might try is Chromes flatwound guitar strings either buying singles 080 065 050 040 or set ECG24-7 + the 080 single. Pretty much the same cost either way for me in Oz
The tensions would be around this at 24.75" scale

Chromes Flatwound Guitar Strings

E1/.080/14.13lbf
A1/.065/16.44lbf
D2/.050/16.59lbf
G2/.040/20.11lbf

TT = 67.27lbf
Compared to tensions of the 37-90 D'addario PB's

E1/.090/15.90lbf
A1/.062/13.10lbf
D2/.050/14.30lbf
G2/.037/12.20lbf

TT = 55.50lbf

See wot happens intonation wise
 
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So does anybody actually keep their GS Mini basses? When I search for info on them, the dominant type of listing is in the classifieds rather than discussion. Are people selling their GS Minis replacing them with a different short scale ABG or just giving up on ABG entirely?
 
So does anybody actually keep their GS Mini basses? When I search for info on them, the dominant type of listing is in the classifieds rather than discussion. Are people selling their GS Minis replacing them with a different short scale ABG or just giving up on ABG entirely?
I still have and play my Guild mini jumbo.
 
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So does anybody actually keep their GS Mini basses? When I search for info on them, the dominant type of listing is in the classifieds rather than discussion. Are people selling their GS Minis replacing them with a different short scale ABG or just giving up on ABG entirely?

I almost gave up on my Ibanez PNB14E and had a relative borrow it for some time a couple of years ago. But they gave up on it faster than I did, and so it came back to me. I have it strung in cello-pitch CGDA (big thanks to @HaphAsSard for the gauges and general helpful info), and now I enjoy playing it, especially as chordal accompaniment.

It might be telling that the Ibby switched hands twice and had to be retuned to a drastically different tuning (and hence occupy a different musical role than intended) until I was satisfied with it, but YMMV of course.
 
@Cal03 , I'm curious, what led you to almost giving up on it in the first place? It didn't sound good, or wasn't comfortable to play, etc.?
A couple of reasons. I wasn't used to the super low tension. As mentioned above, you need to have a much softer touch with these GSAB's. I also didn't like the plugged-in piezo tone, and since it was acoustically quiet I didn't have much use for it at the time. These were also the same reasons the relative cited in their dissatisfaction with the Ibby. Comfort was never an issue, it's perfect for couch noodling.

In hindsight I realize that these issues aren't necessarily deal breakers. The touch is something that can be learned and the piezo quack could be tamed with some EQing. I could tune it back in EADG, but then I'd need another instrument for the cello tuning!
 
I scored one recently in as new condition with case included. Haven't really played it much because I hate the strings it comes with, which I assume are the D'addario 37-90 PB strings. Pretty well made. The only issue I have found is some sharp fret ends, which is no biggie.
Not sure what direction to head in strings wise. Flats or tapes. View attachment 7023125View attachment 7023127View attachment 7023128View attachment 7023129

That looks to be an exact copy of the Ibanez PNB14E. (Or vice versa.)
 
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You could look at the 24.75" scale bass as a shorter scale plectrum guitar, if your tuning it in 5ths as per cello tuning. Wider string spacing and neck of course, 18 frets instead of 20 or 22 and joined to body at 12th fret instead of 15th. Plectrum guitars were usually tuned C2 G2 B2 D3 but also C2 G2 D3 A3 like a cello ie an octave below the more common tenor guitar. Hofner 463 Plectrum Guitar
 
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