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Has Gretsch been lying to us for over a decade?
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Well, I think the answer is obvious:
Talkbass servers are somehow run on magnetic paper, and we, in our fit of eager curiosity, have created a supply shortage, thus sending the servers offline.
Like Eric Johnson hearing a difference in his sound with gold-plated jacks on his cables?
Yup, it's the resident "staff member" badge wearing "know-it-all" who's been spewing most of the ridiculous insults and claims. The vitriol and blind litany worshipping mass on that forum is even worse than EBMM forums in its heyday.
I, too, am a member there. It's probably the most civilised forum I've been on (bar one event where a guy took things off topical and went political, causing a disturbance in the force!) and I am surprised at Synchro's outburst.
To me, they look like single coils. They're not akin to Firebird coils, either. And, curiously, one member on here states that when his are both full on, there's still no humbucking. How odd.
My guess re FMIC/Gretsch is that they are on this and they will respond; they can't not! But will be interesting to see what their response/explanation is.
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I just tested mine and yeah, it's also like that. In fact it picks up MORE noise with both pickups at full. The tone is still strong though, not thin and "out of phase". Which means that reversing hot/ground from one pickup will probably get rid of the noise with both pickups at full but should also make them sound thin and "out of phase" in the mid position. I guess this means the magnet on one pickup will also need to be flipped if we want it to be hum-cancelling with the tone "in phase" with both pickups at full? Right? It seems Gretsch really messed this one up...
So, two bridge pups with the same direction of winding and polarity of magnet. They won't buck hum. But this does not detract from the issue that the pups appear to be single coils.
Out of curiosity I checked out what was being said in that forum and that "staff member" seems to be heavily invested emotionally in that bass guitar. It's impossible to reason with people like that.
Heheh: I mean even I was a bit surprised when I found Michael Rhodes in an ad for ESP power cables claiming they made his SVT-4 and Hartke LH amps sound more open. The video is not shy: you can even hear the clack of a camera going off to get photos of Rhodes during the mock-interview.
An established Nashville studio musician with decades of work to his name selling snake-oil.
I honestly wouldn't believe i could come here in the morning and go read that other thread again, and holy crap, they are ramping it up again against the 2 or 3 there defending lobster, maddening, and funny at same time
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Indeed, they seem to be single coils and also not capable of cancelling hum in the middle "both pickups on" position. Very poor.
Gretsch make some really cool guitars but they often seem to have issues. On the more expensive Electromatic series it's the pickup switches and to some extent the tuners. The switches in Electromatics have been RUBBISH for years now. I work at a guitar workshop so I should know... I guess they must have purchased a huge batch of poor quality switches, like the notorious output jacks in many Epiphones (that particular issue must have been going on for over a decade now, Epi must have purchased an ENORMOUS batch of poor quality jack sockets!).
I'm subscribing because I've got a G2220 purchased in 2018. I've never noticed any noise but I only use it at home. I must say I've never been impressed with the sound of the pickups so I'll be interested to see the response from FMIC/Gretsch.
and 2 of them accuse jonny alien of being lobster, lol
How do you know I'm not? Have you ever seen us in the same room at the same time?
Edit: That is when I exited their conversation. Its not based in reality anymore.
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I just noticed that someone on the Gretsch forum mentioned that his G2220 had two bridge pickups. If that's the case it would probably explain why it's not hum-cancelling with both pickups on full, right?
Gretsch certainly seem to have messed this one up badly.
I will check my G2220 when I get home next week but I think I already know the answer... This could be part of the explanation for the the poor tone I'm getting in the neck position (I never use bridge positions, not my kind of tone).
Do any of you have two bridge pickups?
Maybe someone should start a new thread about the best/easiest pickup replacements for these basses...
Gretsch certainly seem to have messed this one up badly.
I will check my G2220 when I get home next week but I think I already know the answer... This could be part of the explanation for the the poor tone I'm getting in the neck position (I never use bridge positions, not my kind of tone).
Do any of you have two bridge pickups?
Maybe someone should start a new thread about the best/easiest pickup replacements for these basses...
That's not the point. They're supposed to be individual humbuckers. Or, humbucking coils!
gotta read the thread
Everyone has two bridge pickups. As of yet, there have not been any examples of a neck pickup in either position
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I know, but it seems they're not just single coils but single coils that for some reason aren't even humbucking in the middle position, which makes it even worse and is quite frankly ridiculous.
Two bridge pickups could be the explanation for no hum cancelling in the middle position.
Yes, that's been ascertained. Wherever these are being assembled, they obviously don't have any neck pickups as people are reporting 2 x bridge.
But the gubbins of the pup looks single coil.
Holy cow... I've spent some time away from TB this week after initially seeing this thread.
It makes me sad that some people are tying their self esteem to playing, "WELL ACKSHULLY!" on the internet. Nothing new, but this site has (historically) always been a cut above that type of neck-bearding; at least at that level.
Why are you going after fellow bassists and forum members when a company with revenue in the hundreds of millions (seemingly) isn't honestly representing what is being sold - intentional or not - unless the product was changed mid-production (which is a whole different can of worms). Even then, saying it was just an intern or a web developer who made a mistake, or there's a communication breakdown happening somewhere, it should at least be responded to with a, "thanks for pointing this out, our bad," type of thing.
You wouldn't give the same pass to your favorite other builder or company. It's just a $300 bass, sure, but a lot of these have been sold. It could shape someone's idea of what a humbucker is only for them to be confused down the road. Again, there are more important things happening in the world, but I'm not going to just give them a total pass here because it's affordable.
Getting hung up on word choice, marketing semantics, and armchair legalese is disingenuous and comes across as corporate bootlicking - so rock and roll!
Edit: No hate intended, I just genuinely don't understand some of the positions being argued. IMO, implying it's the consumer's fault for interpreting what's actually written too literally just doesn't seem like the answer here.
It makes me sad that some people are tying their self esteem to playing, "WELL ACKSHULLY!" on the internet. Nothing new, but this site has (historically) always been a cut above that type of neck-bearding; at least at that level.
Why are you going after fellow bassists and forum members when a company with revenue in the hundreds of millions (seemingly) isn't honestly representing what is being sold - intentional or not - unless the product was changed mid-production (which is a whole different can of worms). Even then, saying it was just an intern or a web developer who made a mistake, or there's a communication breakdown happening somewhere, it should at least be responded to with a, "thanks for pointing this out, our bad," type of thing.
You wouldn't give the same pass to your favorite other builder or company. It's just a $300 bass, sure, but a lot of these have been sold. It could shape someone's idea of what a humbucker is only for them to be confused down the road. Again, there are more important things happening in the world, but I'm not going to just give them a total pass here because it's affordable.
Getting hung up on word choice, marketing semantics, and armchair legalese is disingenuous and comes across as corporate bootlicking - so rock and roll!
Edit: No hate intended, I just genuinely don't understand some of the positions being argued. IMO, implying it's the consumer's fault for interpreting what's actually written too literally just doesn't seem like the answer here.
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