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have the D's toppled the SVT's?
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Hey Richard you can quit sniping just at Jimmy and include me in that category too. "Versatility" has become a Talkbass buzzword that doesn't mean much to a lot of players who are actually out there playing at a pro level. Is a P-Bass "versatile"? Not especially yet it's widely used in many genres and is by far the most recorded bass in history. How about a B-15? With a two knob EQ (and no effects loop) not especially versatile and yet it's probably the most recorded amplifier ever. Then there's the double bass which is kind of a one trick pony but damn it's one a helluva trick that people devote their entire lives to! Versatility ain't all some would have you believe.Who needs versatility in an amp? Not Jimmy!
See when you get away from the hyper gearhead environment of TalkTalkTalkTalkTalkTalkTalkBass out into the real world of playing bass you find that the majority of bass players don't dote on the raw versatility of an amplifier. Most players need one great sound and don't use many effects if any at all so effects loops and complicated EQ aren't something we need.
Talking about modern amps guys like Andy Field who's responsible for the new Mesa Subway series and Pat Quilter (the "Q" in QSC) with his Quilter Bass Block 800 are addressing the needs of real bass players. When asked why the more minimal Mesa D-800 came out before the D-800+ with additional sweepable mid EQ, effects loop, tuner out, aux in, adjustable HPF and footswitch muting Andy said the more minimal version is what the majority of players were asking for. And when you look at what Quilter has done with the [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] it has a very non-traditional but simple two knob EQ. It sounds great on its own and is an amazing platform for the preamp of your choice. In my mind being able add and remove appropriate outboard options without the confusion and redundancy of a complex onboard feature array offers a lot more true versatility than a unit with a ton of onboard features.
This is why the arguments start when you say sound is in the hands. Once that amp is set the eq is for adjusting to rooms if necessary. Sometimes that's just touch. When you know your sound then you gravitate toward gear that doesn't get in the way. A P-bass is capable of a whole lot of tone versatility between the end of the fretbd and the bridge.
My name is not Richard. Oh wait, you're calling me a dick and I'm pretty sure that's against the rules.
I don't agree that an amp with less features equals more versatility. That makes no sense at all. Just because a lot of players don't use excess features an amp is going to be more versatile if you have more options. 90% of people may not use an effects loop but the 10%,fhat do need an amp with in.
That whole thing with Jimmy saying the V4B was as versatile as the dark glass is just opinion and not fact. Like I was saying it has more eq options plus two channels which you can blend. With features like that Jimmy could do away with his preamp pedal and his distortion pedal. Does that not sound like a more versatile amp to you?
I'm not saying the V4B is not versatile in the sense that you can't use it for any style of music, it is It's a great amp and extremely versatile it that sense, feature wise, not so much.
And for the record I'm a p bass, minimal eq, no effects kind of player who does really need many features on an amp. I'd be happy in just about any situation with just a p bass and a powered monitor
Sorry I got yer name wrong sport, my mistake. Since you brought it up though you might wanna note that even staying within the literal bounds of the rules behaving like a dick kinda makes a person a dick. Not that I'm saying you have or haven't mind you...just pointing out what may not be obvious to everyone sport.
I don't mind them, but I tend not to use them, as I don't have any effects that work better in an effects loop than just straight into the input.
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To many players, versatility also means that the native voicing is more generally player friendly. These amps probably won't be ideal for the folks who gravitate towards heavily voiced tones. This is why there are different choices out there.
Do you really think anyone is going to react well when you insultingly call them "son"?
That crap never goes over well.
Seriously? He called me a dick in two posts before I said son. Which term is more offensive?
Interesting. Well, I guess you have a right to your own opinion based on your perception of things laid out in front of you
Guys, get along or report each other, stop with the hijack, no one's interested.
This whole thread should probably be closed because it is set up for hijack. It's just all about opinion. Those who believe in magic and those who don't
That is something else entirely, and entirely your opinion as well, and one I don't agree with.
the directions the thread went in are normal, especially with such a vague question as it's premise, but taking digs at each other is just lame and against the rules.
Previously on TB:Amps:
@JimmyM is an Ampeg fanboy. At one point he falls out of love for their current production and turns to other stuff like MarkBass, exposing how the latter's US customer service sucks in the process. He also gets mad at TC Electronic over a free pedal he didn't receive, or something. Then TC lie about specs and Jimmy calls them out on it, like 90% of sub-forum regulars. @arai, OTOH, is a TC fanboy and pushes back hard, bringing up the missing free pedal thing. After a while, TC sort of correct their published bull, Jimmy lands an Ampeg endorsement deal and arai has become a sort of Jimmy fanboy, one that follows him through the courtyard at recess and pulls his braids at random. (But after all, ladies and gents of the jury, isn't forum stalking the sincerest form of flattery?). Case in point, a couple pages back where he kinda calls Jim an ostrich, but kinda doesn't, and also uses such offensive language as "th*" and "*f", to which Jimmy takes rightful offence. But one does not simply oppose JimmyM here: the last one who tried ended up permabanned after throwing an alcoholic tantrum over a lost battle of "Little Wing" renditions. In comes @Jeff Bonny, apparently a JimmyM fanboy himself of the more conventional kind, who, in a dramatic multipart confrontation, kinda calls arai a dick, but kinda doesn't, and even addresses him as "sport". O. M. G. But then arai does the unthinkable, throwing in the "s*n" word, leaving @Sartori, yet another Jimmy fanboy, with no choice but to take him head-on. As an interesting aside, the expression "s*n *f a b*tch" reveals its complete offensive potential after this thread: basically you can only get away with using "a" (but I would avoid it in polite circles if I were you). Where were we? Oh, yes. Why hasn't this thread already been made a sticky? We need as many TBers as possible to chime in, we need to dot our richards and cross our sons and GET TO THE ROCK BOTTOM OF THIS, DARNIT.
Meanwhile, the Ds have toppled the SVTs, or not, but c'mon, who gives a fart after all this?
Also, @One Drop is his usual, voice-of-reason self. Boring.
(Just kidding. I'm a One Drop fanboy. Love you man.)
@JimmyM is an Ampeg fanboy. At one point he falls out of love for their current production and turns to other stuff like MarkBass, exposing how the latter's US customer service sucks in the process. He also gets mad at TC Electronic over a free pedal he didn't receive, or something. Then TC lie about specs and Jimmy calls them out on it, like 90% of sub-forum regulars. @arai, OTOH, is a TC fanboy and pushes back hard, bringing up the missing free pedal thing. After a while, TC sort of correct their published bull, Jimmy lands an Ampeg endorsement deal and arai has become a sort of Jimmy fanboy, one that follows him through the courtyard at recess and pulls his braids at random. (But after all, ladies and gents of the jury, isn't forum stalking the sincerest form of flattery?). Case in point, a couple pages back where he kinda calls Jim an ostrich, but kinda doesn't, and also uses such offensive language as "th*" and "*f", to which Jimmy takes rightful offence. But one does not simply oppose JimmyM here: the last one who tried ended up permabanned after throwing an alcoholic tantrum over a lost battle of "Little Wing" renditions. In comes @Jeff Bonny, apparently a JimmyM fanboy himself of the more conventional kind, who, in a dramatic multipart confrontation, kinda calls arai a dick, but kinda doesn't, and even addresses him as "sport". O. M. G. But then arai does the unthinkable, throwing in the "s*n" word, leaving @Sartori, yet another Jimmy fanboy, with no choice but to take him head-on. As an interesting aside, the expression "s*n *f a b*tch" reveals its complete offensive potential after this thread: basically you can only get away with using "a" (but I would avoid it in polite circles if I were you). Where were we? Oh, yes. Why hasn't this thread already been made a sticky? We need as many TBers as possible to chime in, we need to dot our richards and cross our sons and GET TO THE ROCK BOTTOM OF THIS, DARNIT.
Meanwhile, the Ds have toppled the SVTs, or not, but c'mon, who gives a fart after all this?
Also, @One Drop is his usual, voice-of-reason self. Boring.
(Just kidding. I'm a One Drop fanboy. Love you man.)
D's have toppled the SVT's in my house. Weight is a huge consideration when you're playing out more than once a week and when you live in a small apartment.
I think I really just asked the original question 'cause I'm trying to sell my CL and it's not moving.
I know I sold my Aguilars and picked up my D800 because weight has become more and more of a priority.
