What I hear playing out of peoples cars is reason enough to hate the entire genre
...'kay. Suit yourself, I suppose.
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Hip-Hop likeres?
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...'kay. Suit yourself, I suppose.
Thanks for making my pointThe ones on the fringe have little, if any impact.
I was unaware that this was your point. Most likely because you never seem to have articulated this point; up until this point in the conversation all I've really seen in your posts is "All rap condones the gangsta life, and if you disagree all you listen to is Fresh Prince and Jazzy Jeff."
Zero, NONE, Nada. Can't stand it. Never have.
I could handle some Run DMC or Beasties but beyond that
Sorry
And slap a ho when she needs it
My imagination must have run wild
Mr. Tyler mentioned Marley's shooting cops lyrics as some sort of justification for todays rap lyrics. Take it up with him
My main gripe with rap music is........Any music that glorifies the thug lifestyle does our culture and youth no good at all.
When you walk out of a movie, it's over. Rap on the other hand..........
Weak comparison. It makes me wonder what rap you've listened to besides DJ Jazzy Jeff and The Fresh Prince
Please don't hesitate to point out where you made that point in any of those posts (and any that I may have missed), because I sure don't see it
. Now on the substance of your argument: "The ones on the fringe have little, if any impact." I very much disagree. Just because an artist is not on the radio does not mean they are "on the fringe" or "have little, if any impact."
Let's look at the Grateful Dead. They had one radio hit in their entire time active, which was "Touch of Gray" (hardly one of their most "influential" songs, I'm sure you would agree), but they were definitely not "on the fringes" of their genre and they certainly had an impact. Just becaues an artist may not be what the music industry considers "radio material" does not by ANY means that they're "on the fringes" or "have litle, if any impact."
I suppose you could argue that they had one radio hit and that's where their influence came from, but even still, Del tha Funkee Homosapien (of Hieroglyphics; who I can only assume you ahve agreed has a good message when you stated that they were one of those "fringe artists with little, if any impact") was on board with Gorillaz who have made it onto the radio; I might add without the things that you have complained about in hip hop.
And now on your original point that all hip hop (or rather, the artists that have an impact and aren't on the fringes) is violent, misogynist, etc. Once again, this is stereotyping an entire genre based on one sub-group, which is incredibly closed minded.
I know I previously only brought up one artist who doesn't represent the gangsta culture which may be what lead you to the conclusion that such artists are few and far between, but I would like to call attention to a previous post I made regarding The Native Tongues. This is a hip-hop collective whose lyrics are charactarized as positive-minded, good-natured, and socially conscious. According to their myspace, members include:
Red Alert, Jungle Brothers, De La Soul, A Tribe Called Quest, Monie Love, Queen Latifah, Black Sheep, Del Tha Funkee Homosapien, Brand Nubian, Vinia Mojica, Chi-Ali, The Beatnuts, The Legion, Lucien Revolucien, Leaders of The New School, Prince Paul, Freestyle Fellowship, Common, Mos Def, Ras Kass, Masta Ace, The Pharcyde, Dr. Octagon, Bahamdia, Da Bush Babees, Dilated Peoples, Eyedea and Abilities, Talib Kweli, The Roots, Aceyalone, Organized Konfusion, Black Eyed Peas, Digable Planets, Capitol A, The Nonce, Guru, Souls Of Mischief, Brother Ali, Arrested Development, Justin Warfield, J Dilla, Shortie No Mass, MF Doom, B.U.M.S., The (Brothas Unda Madness), Abstract Rude, Main Source, Saafir, Planet Asia, Living Legends, Slug, The Coup, Soulquarians, Erykah Badu, etc....
Also note that Black Eyed Peas are among them, who I'm sure you agree are not a fringe artist with little to no impact.
Now all that said, I would like to point out the fact that this thread is intended as a forum for fans of hip hop (or "Hip-Hop Likeres" according to the title) to discuss hip hop music. This does not include posting things such as "Zero, NONE, Nada. Can't stand it. Never have. ", "And slap a ho when she needs it", "Honestly, I have no interest in Marley OR rap music.", or even "My main gripe with rap music is........Any music that glorifies the thug lifestyle does our culture and youth no good at all." In fact, such posts are incredibly detrimental to the point of the thread, and may be considered by definition Trolling (inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community.)
This is a good point that could use repeating. Such posting is asking for trouble. Better to move on than get in an argument, fellas.
Hip hop as a discussion topic has a tendency of turning nice, smart people people like knifemaker here into stubborn trolls. No offence knifemaker, I like you and your posts outside this topic. But I find it weird that this is pretty much the only genre that cannot be discussed without people starting foam from their mouths. We've seen it happen so many times over the years when somebody starts a topic like this.
I understand that _some_ of the hip hop lyrics are offensive. I guess that's the idea too. And it has happened with most genres that have made it big in a certain era. The same thing happened with rock. And metal. And even more with punk. And with Beatles for crying out loud. There is always somebody yelling this is wrong, unmusical and promotes stuff I don't believe in. Fine, nobody has to like it, but I recommend live and let live attitudes. I don't find the misogynistic lyrics worthwile either, but if that is based on the artists outlook on life and women, I think the artist has a bigger problem than I do when I dislike the lyrics. And I think I know a thing or two about not being able to stand hip hop. I was in that group in my teens. All I saw was the "whoda****stole rimz from mah BWM, Imma kill the ****er." Luckily, some of the grooves were just too irresistible and soon enough I started finding great artists left and right who wrote brilliant lyrics and have really broadened my musical views..
And in ten or twenty years, some of us who are now defending hip hop are probably going to be those people complaining about how the new stuff isn't music at all and it's all wrong. Such is life.
And main stream rap, whatever that is at the moment.. Not owning a TV has made it harder to keep track on this kind of stuff. But if you turn on mtv, most of the stuff you're going to hear is crap. Britney Spears for pop, Nickelback for rock and 50 cent for rap. Blah. But based on that, who would say that there isn't plenty of smart pop or rock made at the moment? IMO only people who aren't even making an effort to find good music. Same goes for rap.
There has been many great artists already mentioned so I won't start listing for more, but I hope I will discover some new good stuff from the upcoming posts posted by people who, unlike me, have the common sense of not getting caught in this silly argument all over again and keep the discussion on topic. And if I can make a request, please post links too, so we can easily hear at least one sample of your recommendations.
Sorry for the rant.
And a little something from our beloved neighbour, Sweden: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7UmiSl7Rb4
I understand that _some_ of the hip hop lyrics are offensive. I guess that's the idea too. And it has happened with most genres that have made it big in a certain era. The same thing happened with rock. And metal. And even more with punk. And with Beatles for crying out loud. There is always somebody yelling this is wrong, unmusical and promotes stuff I don't believe in. Fine, nobody has to like it, but I recommend live and let live attitudes. I don't find the misogynistic lyrics worthwile either, but if that is based on the artists outlook on life and women, I think the artist has a bigger problem than I do when I dislike the lyrics. And I think I know a thing or two about not being able to stand hip hop. I was in that group in my teens. All I saw was the "whoda****stole rimz from mah BWM, Imma kill the ****er." Luckily, some of the grooves were just too irresistible and soon enough I started finding great artists left and right who wrote brilliant lyrics and have really broadened my musical views..
And in ten or twenty years, some of us who are now defending hip hop are probably going to be those people complaining about how the new stuff isn't music at all and it's all wrong. Such is life.
And main stream rap, whatever that is at the moment.. Not owning a TV has made it harder to keep track on this kind of stuff. But if you turn on mtv, most of the stuff you're going to hear is crap. Britney Spears for pop, Nickelback for rock and 50 cent for rap. Blah. But based on that, who would say that there isn't plenty of smart pop or rock made at the moment? IMO only people who aren't even making an effort to find good music. Same goes for rap.
There has been many great artists already mentioned so I won't start listing for more, but I hope I will discover some new good stuff from the upcoming posts posted by people who, unlike me, have the common sense of not getting caught in this silly argument all over again and keep the discussion on topic. And if I can make a request, please post links too, so we can easily hear at least one sample of your recommendations.
Sorry for the rant.
And a little something from our beloved neighbour, Sweden: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7UmiSl7Rb4
What I hear playing out of peoples cars is reason enough to hate the entire genre
way to throw your ignorance out there in the open, my friend
its one thing to say, that type of music just never worked for me. its a whole nother to say you just dont want to give it a chance.
you need you really grab a few roots albums. i dont think they glorify and sort of negative lifestyles whatsoever. and regardless of what some thug was blasting in his car, leanord hubbard is probably a superior musician to all of us here. but then again, your right, some kids blast mainstream rap out of their cars. therefore, hubbard is an awfull bass player
OK! Sorry for mentioning a counterpoint..........something that might be a buzzkill
It provoked you to think a little?? Didn't it?? 
I deleted my posts showing my negative feelings about rap and I am sorry. This thread isn't about how rap / hiphop makes people feel or if they like it, it's about lyrics. Frankly I do like some of Will Smiths lyrics but others where every other word is MFer and HOE I can't listen to. Also, many rap songs I simply can't understand so I have no idea what they are saying.
Also recently found out that bitches n' hoes had nothing to do with women like I thought, they are actually Benson and Hedges cigarettes. Go figure.
Also recently found out that bitches n' hoes had nothing to do with women like I thought, they are actually Benson and Hedges cigarettes. Go figure.
Check out FROM THE CORNER TO THE BLOCK by Galactic and hear hip-hop done the right way, with a real band playing the music.
way to throw your ignorance out there in the open, my friend
its one thing to say, that type of music just never worked for me. its a whole nother to say you just dont want to give it a chance.
you need you really grab a few roots albums. i dont think they glorify and sort of negative lifestyles whatsoever. and regardless of what some thug was blasting in his car, leanord hubbard is probably a superior musician to all of us here. but then again, your right, some kids blast mainstream rap out of their cars. therefore, hubbard is an awfull bass player
Yes..........
I'm sure Leonard Hubbard has the same impact on the rap/thug related lifestyle as what Stryper had on those evil heavy mental fans!!
Yes..........
I'm sure Leonard Hubbard has the same impact on the rap/thug related lifestyle as what Stryper had on those evil heavy mental fans!!
i really dont care to argue with you..
but i will say that hubbard has a degree in (classical) music from carnegie mellon university. do you have a degree in music, or know what it takes to achieve one? thats pretty thug of him, isint it..
but anyway..
+1 to galactic. stanton moore. another rediculously talented player.
Aesop Rock
get hooked then come see me when you want some more..this is just a basic starter package
get hooked then come see me when you want some more..this is just a basic starter package
OK! Sorry for mentioning a counterpoint..........something that might be a buzzkill
Seems it did the same for you, no?
Anyway, the point still stands, expressing hatred of hip hop isn't on topic in a thread for fans of the genre, and some of your comments seemed to be intentional attempts to provoke a reaction.
That said, this is the last I'm going to say about all that, for risk of furthering my own hypocricy
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Seems like we have pretty similar taste. Those weathermen members are nice, I haven't heard them solo so thanks for that!
no problem...for everyone who checked the solo links and have never heard them together ill add 1 shining example
It just never fails, does it? Start a thread on rap or hip-hop in general and suddenly things blow up. What a lot of people doing the negative posting probably don't understand is that there is likely more debate within the hip-hop community regarding the negative aspects of the culture than there is between hip-hoppers and non hip-hoppers. Anyone who knows and understands the history of hip-hop is well aware that most commercial hip-hop today is anathema to the original spirit of hip-hop. Disco had the same problem, in terms of people condemning an entire style or genre because of what became most visible to the public (but that's another story). If you don't like the hip-hop you hear on commercial radio, don't blame the hip-hop community. Instead, blame a music industry run by corporations that couldn't care less about actual music - a music industry that favours formula over creativity and is only interested in unit sales. Education before condemnation, please.
For the record, I saw a POS show last Tuesday, and I just got home from a Roots show last night.
Man! The Roots absolutely kill live. Their MC is almost like a hype-man for the band. Very tight, very grooving, and absolutely A+.
The P.O.S. show was completely different, but equally impressive. That guy can rhyme with the best of them, and the rest of the line-up (Astronautalis, F. Stokes, & Dessa) were totally on point as well.
Aesop on the None Shall Pass tour is still the best hip-hop show I've ever seen, though, with Del and A-Plus coming in a close second.
Man! The Roots absolutely kill live. Their MC is almost like a hype-man for the band. Very tight, very grooving, and absolutely A+.
The P.O.S. show was completely different, but equally impressive. That guy can rhyme with the best of them, and the rest of the line-up (Astronautalis, F. Stokes, & Dessa) were totally on point as well.
Aesop on the None Shall Pass tour is still the best hip-hop show I've ever seen, though, with Del and A-Plus coming in a close second.
