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How Is Fender USA Quality Control Soooo Horrible?

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I bought a new Fender Precision (USA Performer) a couple of years ago. It does not have that problem.....In fact I have never seen a Precision with that problem.
Seriously, my PP is completely flawless in fit, finish, and performance. Sorry the OP's was not. That would bug me too and I would take it up with Fender.
 
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I bought a new Fender Precision (USA Performer) a couple of years ago. It does not have that problem.....In fact I have never seen a Precision with that problem.
Seriously, my PP is completely flawless in fit, finish, and performance. Sorry the OP's was not. That would bug me too and I would take it up with Fender.

Not sure if this is pure ignorance or brilliant trolling, but it's good TB either way.
 
That's pretty bad, but not unexpected in my experience. I recently got a new Cort A6: 6 string, neckthrough, all Hipshot HW, (slightly) flamed maple top and great QC for under $800 delivered. Pretty much nothing in the FMIC catalogue appeals to me but if I were after something FSO-ish, I'd be looking elsewhere.
 
Over the last 40+ years I've owned dozens upon dozens of USA, Mexican, Chinese, Korean, and Indonesian Fenders and Squiers. Some amazing, some perfect, some ok, some kinda bad. Some of the Chinese Squiers, alarmingly, have been absolutely perfect. Every now and then, a USA Fender is as well.

However.

I have never seen such non-existent quality control and pisspoor attention to detail in 40+ years as this latest purchase, a new $1900 (before tax) American Professional II Jazz Bass in Miami Blue that no less than FIVE people signed off on.

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$2097.60 with tax.

$2100!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not a problem with Precisions :cool:
 
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This does a good job of illustrating a bit of tolerances!

See those wings on the pickup that the screws fit into to hold the pickup to the body? Not aligned in the wing pockets. For this specific pickguard, if those pockets had been aligned, then the cutout for the control plate wouldn't be(assuming Sandberg isn't fitting the pickguard, then using that as a jig to drill/fit the control plate). There's also a tight gap between the right edge of the pickup and the corresponding edge of the pickguard pocket. Any closer and the pickguard may not have fit at all.

This could be right at the edge of tolerance and a lucky fit, or it could be fit was done to the control plate and got lucky that it fit the pickup, or a bunch of things. It could even be the camera angle not showing things correctly! I haven't exactly seen a wealth of Sandbergs to know what's typical for them.

But it does look nice.
They're all like that.
 
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Each to their own. I've got an Am Pro I Precision and an Am Pro II Jazz; and both are as flawless as any bass I've ever met. In fact, it seems to me Fender has continuously stepped up their American Production quality.

The OP has a pickguard that seems mis-cut. OK. Fenders are Mass production instruments. There will always be some errors that make it past QC. I would ask both how and why the OP bought it, if this "defect" was so significant.
Pickguards cost something like $35. If the bass plays well, buy another pickguard.

I never have bought a Fender sight unseen. If you play five of the same model in a store, they will all be slightly different. I buy the one that seems "right" to me.

Furthermore, one example of a Fender QC issue is hardly a compelling statistic that Fender's QC is "Soooo Horrible."

Personally, I'm not particularly fond of Fender to begin with. They haven't been the kind of people I would want to work with. But, the basses remain rooted in traditionally useful designs. They are what they are. Don't like them? Get over it and play something else.
 
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I never have bought a Fender sight unseen. If you play five of the same model in a store, they will all be slightly different. I buy the one that seems "right" to me.

Yup, no reason to buy sight unseen when half the bass inventory in stores is Fender (where I live).
Sigh, if only it were so with Sadowsky, Warwick, Spector,etc. :crying:
 
What were they out of curiosity?

I just realized I made a thread about this that nobody ever replied to!

They were BFR Stingray Specials:

-1 of the 3 necks was noticeably thicker or thinner. Cannot recall.
-Weights were ~9lb, despite being marketed as significantly lighter than non-special Stingrays. Only 40 were made and everybody I know of online that bought one got one that was 7.4lb-~8lb.
-Figuring in one of the three necks was so minimal that it did not look figured.
-All 3 were the same factory color...Ruby Punch. The first two looked identical and stunningly beautiful. Just gorgeous paint jobs. The third one was maroon and hideous. Very different.

Price was $3,500. I would not describe that as great (or even good) quality control. They got lazy.
 
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Huh, weird .... those appear to be functional and well-made.
that's because you're looking at it the way an audience looks at an instrument on stage.

My weekend car has a paint job that gets glowing compliments when I'm pointing at it from 40' away but cleaning & waxing it is taxing on the soul. Orangpeel city. I really want to have a good shop take it down to the metal and do a proper block sanded paint job.

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I'm really not sure how much I empathise with OP.

It's kinda tough for me to stomach $2k for something that's not at least as good cosmetically as their own <$900 imports. But, I've watched the value of the dollar drop and drop and drop since graduating high school over two decades ago. A backwards take is "everything costs four times more than it did around Y2K for the same quality or it costs the same for a quarter of the quality".

$2k looks like a lot of money through old eyes, but as I'm struggling with the prices of everything else, I am finding it easier to see USA 7enders as $500 guitars that we're stuck buying with crappy cut-value money. I'm stuck paying "$3.50-5.00" for a gallon of milk that in my eyes should still cost $0.95.

Their non-CS instruments will always be "$500-800 guitars" through my old millennial eyes and every couple of years they have to use a larger money-number to represent the same actual value.

If we're lucky, in another ten years whatever their stupidly named new version of the old "American Standard Series" will be having to take 3,000 US shrinkybucks to purchase and the cheapest Squier will be "$549.99". If we're less lucky it'll be $4k & $899.99 and they'll be building factories in Africa to produce $300-700 guitars that may get Squier branding or a new budget brand below Squier.

I worked at a 7εndεπ dealer for a half decade and I saw a lot of flawless Jazz guard-to-plate matches on Squiers and a lot of US 7εndεπs with glaringly obvious mismatched plates. I don't know how anyone in management lasts there more than three years, or if they do.

God bless them. By doing QA from 40' away, they're making it so that other guitar entrepreneurs & the laborers whom they hire can have a big enough slice of the pie to survive and sometimes even thrive.

In my real world experience, 7εndεπ made a lot of Ibanez sales for me without me having to say a single thing to the customers. Martin did too, lol!

I feel bad for FMIC's underpaid-for-CA workers. They are the ones who're hurt by management not seeing this stuff as both the industrial tools that they primarily are, and the jewelry that they have to be to better answer the customer's question "why should I buy an MIA 7εndεπ instead of literally anything else?"
 
They're stamped, cut with a die. Always have been.
Same as every other plate part. It's way more cost effective.

Are you sure about that?

Bodies used to be cut by hand, but this isn't Leo's 1960 worldview. Now even MIA bodies are CNC milled.

Assuming that neither of us (I certainly don't) work in a Fender component factory, you don't know that for certain either. You are asserting something to be a fact based upon- well I'm not exactly sure… Haphazard assumption? Hearsay? Please don't violate your FMIC NDA on this forum for me…

But I do work in MFG engineering for a living, so there is that.

If Leo were alive today, I doubt he would stamp flat components vs. sheet cutting them, as his MO was always to cut production costs. If a waterjet existed in 1960, he would have purchased a few. As others in my field have already chimed in above, tolerance stacking is very real, and gets much worse when your proposed specialty die (and accompanying tool) begins to wear and cut out of spec.

Another thought- have you ever manually deburred a stamped part and compared the amount of labor required vs. one that came off a waterjet? I have. One of those methods of production is significantly easier to bring to pre-plating standards (hint: it isn't the stamped part).

So what exactly do you mean by 'cost effective?'
 
I work at a music store. I looked at a squire cv jazz and a fender player jazz today, both had misaligned and different sized control plates versus pick guards. I've always accepted it as a jazz bass thing. I saw that on fenders back in the 80s as well. Just part of playing a fender. They aren't high end instruments.... overpriced or not.
 
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