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I hope Esperanza is not doing a Meshell!

Agree with Petrus61, I think in the age that we live in, we give too much importance into what the common man thinks about well, everything, even if he has no opinion on the matter, but must be heard. Most opinions out there are spawned and belong in the toilet.
 
i like gail ann dorcey, kim gordon, d'arcy wretzky, carol kaye, rhonda smith..

When I hear Esperanza her gender doesn't even come into play. If it did it would probably make me wish I had ovaries. The same goes with those you listed. I don't consider them "female" bassists because I don't consider others "male" bassists. I consider them bassists, period.
 
These are two artist I highly trust, if they want to go in a new direction I'll follow them. True art is never meant to stagnate, it would have been craven of them to just follow pop success with the same formula album after album.
IMHO


Exactly. That might've made some listeners happy but I liken it to a parent who never wants their child to grow up and expand. Not quite as bad as the fans who want a note-for-note rendition every time they hear a band live but definitely on that road.

Surprise me. And it's not like something has never grown on me after the first listen.
:D
 
They qualify under a category? By who? Is there a duly appointed panel or maybe a “haters gonna hate” (that phrase is such an odd way of saying nothing btw) tribunal somewhere? News to me. I mustn’t have been copied on that memo.

But whatever you say. However, you’re still misusing the word “hate.” (Definition here).

If that puts me out of touch with: dog whistling, sloppy thinking, poor english usage, fanbois, groupthink, bandwagoning, this year’s “hip” colloquialisms, deadcatting, gen-angst, and low commonality, then there’s no need for you to feel sorry for me. Because if embracing the above means being “out of touch,” I wouldn’t have it any other way. :thumbsup:

Big world. A lot of different viewpoints. I’m good with that even if someone choses not to agree with mine.

How about you? :)


In the current vernacular those definitions of "hate" are not correct. And that's been around for several years now.
 
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I'm sorry that you are out of touch but "hate" and "haters" are synonymous with people/comments that do nothing more than cast doubt/shade on things. Comments like "this does nothing for me" and "I hope she is not doing a Meshell" are not valid criticisms on a work. Therefore, they qualify under the "haters gonna hate" category.

And now... you can explain "shade".
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When I hear Esperanza her gender doesn't even come into play. If it did it would probably make me wish I had ovaries. The same goes with those you listed. I don't consider them "female" bassists because I don't consider others "male" bassists. I consider them bassists, period.

I agree because I cannot think of a single time in my life when I heard a bassist and thought that’s a woman or that’s a man. I either thought the playing was good or bad.
 
if she didnt have a previous reputation as a killer bass player and just started with this stuff, NOBODY would give her the time of day

Yeah. I pretty much felt the same way. About the best I could say about it was “it’s early yet” and try not to rush to judgement. But something inside me makes me think of an old musical friend of mine. He was a bluesman through and through. One of those rare ones that could lay down a perfectly executed smoky bass line that really made you sit up and take notice. But he wanted to be a rocker. And more specifically a prog rocker. God knows why.

Unfortunately, as hard as he tried, he kept coming across as a blues bassist. And that loose feel and timing play that’s so much a part of blues, and which he teased out of every note he played, just didn’t mesh with the precision timing and melodic interplays of prog.

Shame really. He kept turning down blues offers and getting frustrated trying to find a prog band he could fit in with.

So it goes.
 
They qualify under a category? By who? Is there a duly appointed panel or maybe a “haters gonna hate” (that phrase is such an odd way of saying nothing btw) tribunal somewhere? News to me. I mustn’t have been copied on that memo.

But whatever you say. However, you’re still misusing the word “hate.” (Definition here).

If that puts me out of touch with: dog whistling, sloppy thinking, poor english usage, fanbois, groupthink, bandwagoning, this year’s “hip” colloquialisms, deadcatting, gen-angst, and low commonality, then there’s no need for you to feel sorry for me. Because if embracing the above means being “out of touch,” I wouldn’t have it any other way. :thumbsup:

Big world. A lot of different viewpoints. I’m good with that even if someone choses not to agree with mine.

How about you? :)
They qualify well enough for the people who opt to use the turn of phrase. There's no point in trying to highroad those people since they've already high roaded themselves out of the conversation. "Live and let live" would be another acceptable reading of the saying.
 
Sorry, I had to modify your post. :D

There ya go! :laugh:

And see how neatly it perverts a reasonable opinion?

I guess haters who hate haters who hate haters who hate them covers just about everything - to say nothing of bringing it back full circle. (Much like the circular logic found in the quip: “Haters gonna hate.”)

Like Gallagher so wisely observed:

“Two wrongs don’t make a right - but three lefts do.” ;):)
 
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I give up CoC. Stay pissed off. I’m done.
Ain’t no one pissed, dude, that’s what we’re trying to tell you. Another colloquialism you may have encountered that, again, is effectively synonymous with “haters gonna hate” is “I ain’t even mad.”

You’re letting the dictionary definition blind you to what people are actually trying to communicate.

You call a guy a “bad mothershager on the bass guitar” we all know you’re not actually suggesting he’s got an Oedipal complex.
 
Never heard of Meshell

sounds like a jazz song to me

I prefer Adron, in this genre.



A) Meshell is great and one of the godmothers of neo-soul, employing the fattest of bass licks along with sultry contralto vocals, I highly recommend

B) Adron! She was at the Inman Park Music Festival last year and I was blown away by both her performance and that of her bassist, who was so insanely good he stole the show at times (in a good way). Wish I got the guy's name, he was a beast