Please explain. My rather rudimentary reading comprehension finds your comment to be rather broadly insulting.
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I might be kicked off TB for this, but.....
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Are you that person? : D
Go listen to Opus Pocus. G'head. Tell me if you can feel it. Do it. I dare ya. : D
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Whether bass or any other instrument a lot of us listen to music we like rather than the technical chops of the player.
I agree. You had to be there BEFORE the revolution. It's so easy to say that today there are so many "better" or more technically advanced bass players. Having said that, if Jaco was alive today, who knows how good he would have been or where his personal evolution took him.
Jaco was in a category all his own. Kind of weird which is probably why a lot of people don't like him or fathom what he's doing.
I was never into Jaco for his mad chops. It's his feel and his vast, what I sometimes call 'sweeping' harmonic sense. See Joni Mitchell's 'Goodbye Porkpie Hat' for example. Wild stuff.
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Jaco is amazing IMO.
However, i don't enjoy his stuff either...
Good Luck!
However, i don't enjoy his stuff either...
Good Luck!
pure Jaco groove right here. growly, but not farty.
Hehe, when I first read the "Jaco couldn't groove" stuff, my first thought was "well, what about 'Barbary Coast' and 'Elegant People'?"
Theres a vid on youtube of Jaco playing A jaydee bass. Some of the slide show vids have the odd pic of him playing the odd precision and some other weird looking basses.
I think the problem is "jazz." Jaco was hardcore ..it's not for everybody.
Don't be.
For I'm refferring to the comments that are not in line with anything the OP stated. The comparisons, the insults, the total disregard for opinions and even the "your opinion is supposed to be based on fact" attitude is really disheartening. Few have actually answered his questions and/or directed his inquiry.
FF
Those people are better off not playing at all. Jaco was all about putting his money where his mouth was (until that didn't work anymore) and I personally don't trust any musician that just doesn't like any of the musicians or goes out of their way to hate on other musicians. Any guitarist that says Hendrix sucked invariably always sucks...run for the hills!
I feel the same about Jaco and basically feel he was our Hendrix equivalent. You don't have to like it, but you are gonna damn well eat it!
Oh, for sure, but I think you can say that about just about any kind of music. I wish I had a dime for each time I've gotten crap about not loving the Beatles - I recognize their contribution and can't argue their influence on modern music, but they're just not my thing.
Having said that, there's plenty of stuff that Jaco did that wasn't my thing either, but you pretty much have to acknowledge his talent and that he was a trailblazer on the instrument.
Hey man, opinion is opinion. Individuality is what makes this world beautiful. But.... If you listen to Jaco, say Come on Come over for example (anything he's done really) and say he has no groove, that's just plain nonsense. I wanna quote another comment here "stone ears" and possible a wonky biological clock!
Gotcha.
Diversity can be difficult to accept, much less embrace. It is ultra important to respect differing opinions.
Besides, responding to the points the OP and other non-Jaco fans have raised in an informed way makes for an interesting two way discussion; yes?
People seem to have gotten genuinely offended by me saying that I, ME PERSONALLY, did not feel Jaco's groove. I was trying to open a discussion that may lead me to tracks of his that I hadn't heard before, and some of you did. Thank you to those that had the reading comprehension skills to understand what I was asking. and I did listen to the tracks posted, and there are some really interesting arrangements that he did. Some are not so great, again, IN MY OPINION.
The way Jaco put it was..."It ain't braggin if it's the truth."
Nice.. The groove of Barbary Coast is irrefutable. I love everything about that tune, but Jaco's groove takes the cake. The fact that there are so many folks out there who don't like it and/or don't get it, makes me all that much more appreciative that Jaco's voice and his gift really speaks to me.
Also... OT, not that it really matters at this point, but Alphonso Johnson played on the album version track Elegant People... IMO its C.Thompson and Acuña on drums and percussion that own that tune
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No groove? Take a listen to Jaco's walking lines on Birdland.
Do you not like Jaco, or is it really that you don't hear him? Even though he played a lot of RnB style material, Jaco was an extraordinarily sophisticated jazz musician regardless of the setting he played in. He needs to be heard and understood in that context. Comparing him to John Taylor is apples and oranges.
Spend some time listening to good cutting edge jazz from the last 50 years or so - upright players - then go listen to Jaco. You'll hear him differently.
Do you not like Jaco, or is it really that you don't hear him? Even though he played a lot of RnB style material, Jaco was an extraordinarily sophisticated jazz musician regardless of the setting he played in. He needs to be heard and understood in that context. Comparing him to John Taylor is apples and oranges.
Spend some time listening to good cutting edge jazz from the last 50 years or so - upright players - then go listen to Jaco. You'll hear him differently.
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