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I need a new rig - different specs from past posts

I was told that Epifani and EA don't get along. I'm not married to the iAmp 500 but it is a nice head for $500 used.

My limited experience with the S1 UL112 and an iAmp 800 was less than stellar. I really liked the iAmp with a GS112.

The LMII can be had new for $599 + tax (if there's a physical GC in the state where you live, you pay tax to the man.) Sounds good with the UL112.

Also may wanna think about the PS112. Only 6 lbs heavier and cost a good bit less.
 
Steve, I've done many gigs within the realm of music that you're speaking of. I know that you like the Berg 112's. For the last year I've had great success with my Berg 112's and a Markbass LMKII. There hasn't been a gig that it hasn't worked for. For most of my gigs just one 112 is enough as long as I put it on the floor. The wide low end of the Markbass gets along very, very well with the Berg 112's. In fact, I almost always leave the eq on the markbass flat. When I do jazz gigs I actually plug directly into the effects return of the amp and bypass the preamp. It gives me an even more dynamic sound. For what you've explained you're looking for I can't suggest this combination enough.
 
Well, after tonight (I used the 115 and tweeter, 330 watts) I am about ready to get a 1,000 watt power amp, preamp and 2 big cabs. It was guitar, drums and me and I was burried. Thankfully I had my DI so I could get some help from the PA. I am tired of maxing my amps. We are obviously not as quiet a band as I thought.
 
Well, aftere tonight (I used the 115 and tweeter, 330 watts) I am about ready to get a 1,00 watt power amp, preamp and 2 big cabs. It was guitar, drums and me and I was burried. Thankfully I had my DI so I could get some help from the PA. I am tired of maxing my amps. We are obviously not as quiet a band as I thought.
Steve,

Have you asked about demoing the GB rig?!?!??????????? I want an answer!!!! :D Just kidding, sorta. haha

Honestly, even if you don't think it's the sound for you, it might give you an idea of what a mid-sized cabinet and head would sound like in terms of volume. If not the GB rig, is there something else there that you could demo at a gig? I wouldn't go out and fill up a big rack case with all kinds of separates because of a power issue. I don't think you need a big preamp, power amp, and all that other stuff. Moving a big rack case around like that would get old very quickly.

Didn't you like the Eden tone? Go get a wt800 and pair it with something. The new "b" models are something like 1100 watts at 4 ohms. That will be huge with the right cab, and it's only 2 spaces in a rack. A friend of mine here on the forum (slapagroov) stayed at my house last night on his way through town. He had his old wt800a with him, and we did lots of comparisons with my GBE 1200 and Neo-pak. That wt800 just freakin' slams. Lot's of power, great tone, and that classic Eden buttery tone. We put it on my NeoX 212 and it just sounded awesome, even though it was only doing 400 watts unbridged (the 'a' model won't bridge at 4 ohms). If you could get your hands on a 'b' and pair it with a 4 ohm 212 I can't see how you wouldn't have enough volume. When I put 1000 watts into that 212 with my GBE it is huge sounding. I wouldn't have any problem in the setting you just described. If I even thought it would be a problem, I would put the 112 on top to get nearly 1200 watts at 2.66 ohms, and the stack is so tall it projects very easily.

Example: I've used that exact rig (GBE 1200, 212, 112) outdoors with no PA support for bass (everyone else was in the PA, though). We had a loud drummer, two guitarists and keyboard player. Before we started, I boosted the lows a bit thinking it would be needed without having PA support, and turned up louder than I normally would. During sound checks, the sound guy had to keep asking me to turn down. I wound up running the thing at about half of what the 1200 is capable of, and got nothing but kudos for the sound afterward.

I say that just for this. Sometimes in this day and age we get jaded about wattage numbers. There are so many heads out there with 1000+ watts that it just sounds common and no big deal. But that's a lot of power, and if you have the right cabinets, man you can do a lot with 500-750 watts. I could have done that show with the GBE 600 and been completely fine since I had 3 twelves to move a lot of air.
 
Well, aftere tonight (I used the 115 and tweeter, 330 watts) I am about ready to get a 1,00 watt power amp, preamp and 2 big cabs. It was guitar, drums and me and I was burried. Thankfully I had my DI so I could get some help from the PA. I am tired of maxing my amps. We are obviously not as quiet a band as I thought.

I played a gig last night too - PA only for vocals and sax, guitar through 100W valve 2x12", drums acoustic. Used the pair of Low-B2s and PLX 3002 and had a HUGE sound out front, big and clear and tons of bottom. If you didn't want as much bottom any decent 1x12" cabs with a fair amount of power would do a good job, assuming you used a pair for louder gigs.

Alex
 
I'm going to try and get the GBE600/212 for our gigs on Friday and Saturday. They aren't our loudest venues, but it should give me a better idea. Of course, last night wasn't supposed to be a loud gig either.

I think the sound I want and the sound I need are two different things.
 
Steve, I've done many gigs within the realm of music that you're speaking of. I know that you like the Berg 112's. For the last year I've had great success with my Berg 112's and a Markbass LMKII. There hasn't been a gig that it hasn't worked for. For most of my gigs just one 112 is enough as long as I put it on the floor. The wide low end of the Markbass gets along very, very well with the Berg 112's. In fact, I almost always leave the eq on the markbass flat. When I do jazz gigs I actually plug directly into the effects return of the amp and bypass the preamp. It gives me an even more dynamic sound. For what you've explained you're looking for I can't suggest this combination enough.

The thing with the Berg 112's is that I didn't think there was enough low end. Plenty of punch and cut, which is good as I seem to need that, but I missed a little of the rumble that people want to hear and feel a bit from bass. Maybe I just needed 2 of them.

The other thing is, if I'm going to be bringing 2 cabs to most of my gigs, why not a 212 instead. Size aside (and some 212's are farily compact) it seems that you gain more low end and overall volume when you go with one large cab over 2 smaller ones. The trade off being the ease of hauling - which may or may not be that big a deal. One cab with wheels may be easier then 2 without.
 
The thing with the Berg 112's is that I didn't think there was enough low end. Plenty of punch and cut, which is good as I seem to need that, but I missed a little of the rumble that people want to hear and feel a bit from bass. Maybe I just needed 2 of them.

Althought the Berg HT112 doesn't go all that low for a 1x12" having two cabs will still make a significant difference in the feel of the lows. You won't get anything out of a pair at high volume that you couldn't get out of a single cab at lower volumes though.

The other thing is, if I'm going to be bringing 2 cabs to most of my gigs, why not a 212 instead.


Will you honestly need two cabs for most of your gigs? Will you ever need two cabs for rehearsals?

Size aside (and some 212's are farily compact) it seems that you gain more low end and overall volume when you go with one large cab over 2 smaller ones.

No, that's not the case. If the speakers are the same then the cabs with the greatest total volume will have the greatest output - so if a 1x12" is more than half the size of a 2x12" then a pair will have more bottom than a 2x12", or vice versa.

On the whole a pair of 2x10" cabs will be larger than a single 4x10" whilst a pair of 1x12" cabs will be smaller than a diagonal (i.e. 4x10" sized) 2x12".

The trade off being the ease of hauling - which may or may not be that big a deal. One cab with wheels may be easier then 2 without.

It seems that larger cabs with wheels are a good solution in the US. In the UK (and I imagine the rest of Europe) smaller cabs are easier for the narrow staircase and doorways battles...

Do you ever record your gigs so you know how it actually sounds out front?

Alex
 
We've only done board recordings. I am beginning to think I need more than one cab/driver for my gigs. It looks like I'll have the GB rig for the weekend, so we'll see what hapens.
 
We've only done board recordings. I am beginning to think I need more than one cab/driver for my gigs. It looks like I'll have the GB rig for the weekend, so we'll see what hapens.
This is excellent news. Hopefully you'll be able to gather some things about what type of rig you need in general. Good luck!
 
No, that's not the case. If the speakers are the same then the cabs with the greatest total volume will have the greatest output - so if a 1x12" is more than half the size of a 2x12" then a pair will have more bottom than a 2x12", or vice versa.
I'm not sure that a single 112 is ever more than half the physical volume of diagonal 212. It could be, I just don't know. All I know is that 112's tend to be more mid-present, and two of them are typically still more mid-present than a 212. If I really want low end, larger multi-driver cabinets seems to be the way to go, rather than carrying a bunch of separates. YMMV.

And Steve, if you wind up liking the tone, I personally would look into getting a GBE 750 over the 600. More power and a slightly different voicing, as well as separate EQ channels. That 212 is rated for 600 watts, and you'll be putting just 425 into it. Like I said, my 212 will eat 1000 watts from the 1200 no problem and spit it right back out at me.
 
I would say you really need do define what you want...do you want volume...or low end presence. +1 on Eublet...for bottom end...go with larger, multi-driver cabs...if you are looking for percieved volume...112's seem to work the best, IMHO, YMMV, etc.

Good luck...I look forward to hearing how the GB works for ya!
 
I'm not sure that a single 112 is ever more than half the physical volume of diagonal 212. It could be, I just don't know. All I know is that 112's tend to be more mid-present, and two of them are typically still more mid-present than a 212. If I really want low end, larger multi-driver cabinets seems to be the way to go, rather than carrying a bunch of separates. YMMV.

Re-read my post. As I said, twelves are often the exception to the rule as the majority of 2x10" cabs have more volume per driver than 4x10" cabs, and 1x15" cabs more volume per driver than 2x15" cabs.

If you REALLY want low end cabs need to be correctly tuned and sized and either eat power to get loud or are very large.

Alex
 
And Steve, if you wind up liking the tone, I personally would look into getting a GBE 750 over the 600. More power and a slightly different voicing, as well as separate EQ channels. That 212 is rated for 600 watts, and you'll be putting just 425 into it. Like I said, my 212 will eat 1000 watts from the 1200 no problem and spit it right back out at me.

The 750 is a nice head, probably better than the 600, but the 600 is available, and I really don't know if I can afford a $1,000 head. If I like it, I can get the 600 and 212 for $1,400 and they are new. Been in the store for a whil, but I'm about the only person who's played them.
 
Id' like to chime in here re the Carvin BRX212 combo. Crazy loud, really. It'll easily get loud enough that I need to wear ear plugs. It is insane, from my perspective, to be able to have that much output in such a small, managable package. I'd say the tone is more toward the "ampeg-smooth-warm(maybe muddy) thing than the GK-bright thing" If anything, I could use a tad more mid definition out of the rig. That said, I haven't had it all that long, and I have not played with the bass-amp-eq much to try to solve the issue. Overall, couldn't be happier with the amp. FWIW, I went with this amp over some of the Yorkville offerings, and I am a Yorkville dealer! My cost on the 2x10 combo with the XS400H inside would have been quite a bit less than the BRX212, but I opted for the Carvin. This was mostly due to the whole "one hand" cart thing. I do have an XS800H and currently an XC410 for my big rig. I'd say the BRX gets about as loud as that half stack, fwiw.

Lee
 
So we played at out fancy restaurant gig. Good crowd for a while. The GB sounded good. I had the pre at about 11 o' clock and the master at about 9 o'clock so plenty of headroom. We weren't really loud though.

Tonight is an outdoor wedding gig - oh yeah, it's 80 and humid at 10:00 am so this will be fun. Tis wil be more of a "power" test as only vox, guitar and piano are in the PA - limited channels.

I like the 212. Much more sound and bottom than my 112. I don't like the physics of the GB cab. The wheels are in the back so you have to roll it the wide way and the handels are on the side. Not good. Very awkward. I think I'd rather carry a couple 112's instead. The head is kind of heavey as well. I tried both the SS and Tube pre's. I liked the SS much better. Never been much of a tube guy. Maybe I don't need a head/preamp with both or a tube at all.

More tomorrow after the outdoor wedding gig tonight...