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I Still Don’t Feel Fulfilled

To make music your career, like some other pursuits, you have to love it to the point of almost obsession. There are so many musicians out there willing to do whatever it takes that I don't see how you could succeed with a half hearted effort and without an innate drive to do whatever it takes. I feel in that way it differs from a more traditional job. You could make a decent living as an insurance agent even if you aren't
"All in". But music doesn't work like that.
I have several friends that have made it in music and a few other non standard careers. One guy is a professional fisherman and another is a guide for big game in Alaska. The fisherman rarely even needs his 4am alarm, he's up before it goes off because he can't wait to get out there on the water. The guide is similar, and is obsessed. If it's not hunting season he's studying topographic maps or just out scouting for new spots or whatever. Nobody has to convince these guys to get up at 4am or to work hard in the off season- that drive is coming from within them and can't be stopped. But it's because they love it. The guide actually got an engineering degree aind worked for Lockheed for ...6 months. He hated it. He was a low performer, even getting to work by 9 was a struggle for him.
 
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Even after saying I was going to stick with playing bass in my music program in college I still am not feeling fulfilled. I just don't have the urge to really practice it besides a couple Basslines on my mind. It's horrible I gave up on guitar and now I'm heading down that path with bass. I don't even know how I'll keep up in my music program if I am not motivated to practice the instruments that I supposedly play. I've played some keys but I'm still a beginner and I thought of practicing that as I have to take it as a class in the winter but is that even really worth trying to hold on to my place in the music program anymore? It's like I'm my own enemy trying to listen to the optimistic comments here knowing they'll only give me satisfaction for what? Two days. I feel if I just listen to what the universe is telling me I'll be free. I need help!!! I've lost my touch with music.

This is an off the wall solution, but join the Marines as a musician. You will not have time to worry if you've lost your edge. You also will be working with solid talent, mentors, not to mention motivators. Trust me, you will be motivated.

It's a 4 year commitment where you will be paid a salary, housing, health care, subsidized food, and a uniform allotment. You will be playing the best instruments, and musicians are alway on time, sober, and on task.

At the end of your 4 years, you have a choice, sever and walk away with the GI bill which will cover most of a higher education degree, plus a monthly stipend. Or, you can re-enlist, and serve another 4 years. If you get 22 years in, you can retire with a pension, and health care for life for you, and your family if married.

As for the job, you will be playing over 200 performances a year in different parts of the world, playing everything from classic marches, pops, swing, big band rock, and other ensembles.

My son has been in this program for over 17 years. Right now he is in San Diego, living about a 1/2 mile from the beach. BTW, the compensation in your second enlistment is extremely competitive with other professional employment, such as technical writers, health care workers, teachers and such.

if you are interested in learning more, shoot me a PM, and I'll hook you up with somebody that can go through the details.
 
Even after saying I was going to stick with playing bass in my music program in college I still am not feeling fulfilled. I just don't have the urge to really practice it besides a couple Basslines on my mind. It's horrible I gave up on guitar and now I'm heading down that path with bass. I don't even know how I'll keep up in my music program if I am not motivated to practice the instruments that I supposedly play. I've played some keys but I'm still a beginner and I thought of practicing that as I have to take it as a class in the winter but is that even really worth trying to hold on to my place in the music program anymore? It's like I'm my own enemy trying to listen to the optimistic comments here knowing they'll only give me satisfaction for what? Two days. I feel if I just listen to what the universe is telling me I'll be free. I need help!!! I've lost my touch with music.

being in a music program, are you currently in a band? that changes the whole thing for me. I love making music with others, but am less motivated if I'm just on my own.
 
Jalen: Nothing you've said in any of your posts remotely suggests you need any therapy, as some people have suggested. You are a 'thinking' young man. Young with your whole life ahead of you. You haven't yet discovered what will make you feel fulfilled. Because you're still searching, does NOT mean anything is wrong with you. Music may not be your "thing". It may be something else to do in the music business, instead. Lyric writer, manager, promoter, ...etc. You may rather write about music, or review music. Many people discover after a few years of playing, that they really enjoy listening rather than playing. You may do something different than what you have chosen in college. You may not even need college for your eventual job. It doesn't mean you are faulty somehow, because you're not sure if you want to be a musician! Take some time. You're young and without any serious commitments yet. Stop pushing yourself. Enjoy this time. Spend some time alone, just to figure out what makes you feel happy. Then - you'll be on your way to being fulfilled. Don't let anyone tell you that you need therapy, or that anything is wrong with you, just because you haven't figured out what you want to do with your life.
Weirdly Enough I spend more hours in the week listen to music than actually playing. It's like a weird part of me wish I did't have to play music or at least play bass which is why I wish I could gain more skills now and throughout my time in the music program to play keys and synths because sometimes I write songs only with a programmed drum beat and synths and keys but I don't know if I could brush up my skills from beginner to bandstand within the few years I have before graduating from school and into the music world.
 
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This is probably the surest way to make a living in music to be honest.
This is an off the wall solution, but join the Marines as a musician. You will not have time to worry if you've lost your edge. You also will be working with solid talent, mentors, not to mention motivators. Trust me, you will be motivated.

It's a 4 year commitment where you will be paid a salary, housing, health care, subsidized food, and a uniform allotment. You will be playing the best instruments, and musicians are alway on time, sober, and on task.

At the end of your 4 years, you have a choice, sever and walk away with the GI bill which will cover most of a higher education degree, plus a monthly stipend. Or, you can re-enlist, and serve another 4 years. If you get 22 years in, you can retire with a pension, and health care for life for you, and your family if married.

As for the job, you will be playing over 200 performances a year in different parts of the world, playing everything from classic marches, pops, swing, big band rock, and other ensembles.

My son has been in this program for over 17 years. Right now he is in San Diego, living about a 1/2 mile from the beach. BTW, the compensation in your second enlistment is extremely competitive with other professional employment, such as technical writers, health care workers, teachers and such.

if you are interested in learning more, shoot me a PM, and I'll hook you up with somebody that can go through the details.
 
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I feel if I just listen to what the universe is telling me I'll be free.

Quoted for truth. I'm not saying the universe is telling you to quit music though. Only you can answer that.

Yes, some times I feel that maybe I only wanted to go into music to make up for being the kid left out in school and being about to shine above the others that deemed me as an outcast.

I can certainly relate to being the outcast, but I'll tell you something I wish I understood when I was younger: don't try to shine above others. Just shine. That's enough.

I think the problem is I don't know what kind of pro bassist to be. I see all these videos of these bassist with lots of fills and crazy tricks and I've gotten by without such so far and now I feel a bit out of touch.

You should listen to some classic Miles Davis. Back when everybody was playing jazz with as much speed and complexity as possible, Miles slowed down, focused on making meaningful melodies, and basically took over the jazz world as a result. You don't need fancy chops. You just need something to say.
 
Weirdly Enough I spend more hours in the week listen to music than actually playing. It's like a weird part of me wish I did't have to play music or at least play bass which is why I wish I could gain more skills now and throughout my time in the music program to play keys and synths because sometimes I write songs only with a programmed drum beat and synths and keys but I don't know if I could brush up my skills from beginner to bandstand within the few years I have before graduating from school and into the music world.
As I replied earlier, some people find they like listening more than playing. You just stated that. (Maybe your ideal job would be doing something else related to music other than being a musician.) Don't make yourself more unhappy playing music you don't enjoy. I've only ever been a musician. I have never had a 'day job'. It's an all-consuming passion, and has been ever since I was 3 years old. (Many years ago!) As some people have posted above - it is harder to make a living in music nowadays, with anything short of that amount of commitment. It always was difficult. You almost seem like you were pushed toward playing. But every person your age is unsure- even if they think they know what they'd like to do for a living. You have a tremendous amount of options. Enjoy the time you have now, and take your time figuring out what will make you happy. In the meantime, everyone has to do some kind of job. What you do now, (even just this summer) may not be what you eventually do. So, spend some time finding out what you enjoy most.
 
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I don't get this, I'm lost?
Naw, more like if you don't know what to learn, just learn something. Not inspired? Play a scale. Practice your reading. Transcribe a jazz tune, or a hardcore punk anthem. Read a musician biography. Write a song. Write a poem. You never know when something will inspire you to formulate a goal. But until you do, just keep moving.
 
I don't get this, I'm lost?
There's an old expression that equates to: "If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there." I personally like George Harrison's interpretation. Stick with the awkward introduction until he eventually gets going at about 02:16.



Figuring it all out is never easy. You've arrived at this point for a reason. But if the fire truly burns within you, it will eventually find an appropriate outlet/direction. Musician. Producer. Studio owner. Label founder. Attorney. Whatever you do, please don't give up.
 
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Jalen. Don't give up on playing an instrument. You might regret it. My advice would be to really dig into music from many genres and decades. There has to be some music that you connect with and when you close your eyes, it moves you.

I have toyed with guitar for 20 years and I suck. I wish I took it more seriously because I like to play. I just didn't have the discipline to get better.

I am trying bass now and I really like it. I've also found that I enjoy a lot more musical styles than I did as a younger person.

If you find what you are looking for the work won't feel as daunting. Do it for you and the rest will come.
 
Weirdly Enough I spend more hours in the week listen to music than actually playing. It's like a weird part of me wish I did't have to play music or at least play bass which is why I wish I could gain more skills now and throughout my time in the music program to play keys and synths because sometimes I write songs only with a programmed drum beat and synths and keys but I don't know if I could brush up my skills from beginner to bandstand within the few years I have before graduating from school and into the music world.

Being a musician will require you to use many different mental processes that are not used when listening to music. Performing or writing music engage the brain in a totally different way than simply listening for enjoyment. Also musicians tend to use different mental processes when listening to music than lay people.

A bit more on my back story. I never had any expectations to become a professional musician. I took vocational electronics in high school and dropped out of the music program, partly because it was holding me back. I had hoped to continue in the city's youth symphony which played standard classical repertoire at a very high level, but the charter had a clause that required me to be in a school program and my high school orchestra teacher was a bit vindictive.

Within two years I was invited to play in a university jazz band. This was a great experience but I did not understand theory at this point or know how to read chord symbols. So I had to learn all the songs that did not have written bass lines from recordings.

When I went to college I had planned on majoring in match so I could be an electronics engineer. I also took music theory, solfege, class piano, and solfege which are the classes I thought would be most interesting and useful. Unfortunately higher level math course require one to be able to memorize pages upon pages of proofs and theorems. I could do the math, but I could not maintain the proofs in theorems in memory long term, so I eventually stopped taking math and declared a music major.

During third semester life took a twist so I need to get a job. I joined the military and an electronics technicians and graduated from the technical training school with honors without any significant effort. I had covered pretty much all of it in my vocational high school classes.

I was a decent technician and enjoyed the work. But there were some areas of the job that I did not like. There was a lot of busy work when all the radio were working and also I feared getting transferred to a mobile unit where I would spend a lot of time out in the field living in tents and mud. Once you get into a mobile unity you get a special designator the make it likely that you will repeatedly get assigned to mobile units.

During my first assignment, I actually volunteered for a unit where I would spend time in the field in mud, but this assignment would not give me a mobility designator. Also the base I was going to had a band. Shortely after I arrived, I bought a $200 plywood upright bass and started working my arco chops back up. I had continued practicing on electric, including playing through tunes in the Real Book and performing with a cover band at my first assignment.

Luckily the band career field was really low on bass players at the time. As I mentioned previously, I wasn't really qualified but they said they would give me a job in 6 months. The wouldn't give me the job right away because they did not want me there, and were trying to work things to bring in a bass player from another band who was a native from the area. I went back 6 months later and all of that had fallen through and they had hired another bassists and a drummer in a package deal, but the gave me to paper work that showed I had won a job. I still had to jump through a bunch of hoops with various agencies that did not want to do their job to process my cross training, but after a couple of weeks it was done. A few weeks more and I received notification that I was due to report to a new base in 14 days.

I walked into my new unit with my crappy $200 string bass on my shoulder and that made a huge impression. They new that I was not a highly skilled player and had planned to put me in the rock band. But when the Chief saw the string bass he decided to put me on the other side of the house where I would in a wider variety of ensembles to include concert band, big band, and jazz trio.

I had prior experience in all of these ensembles and I worked really hard to keep up and grow. I found the job very satisfying from close to 20 years. Most people in the program had at least BS degrees. Many had Master and a few even had Doctorates. Many of my peers were very dissatisfied with the job, and I saw a lot of great musicians put down their horn.

After I started burning out as a player I crossed over to be exclusively an audio tech. I had performed as an audio tech quite a bit through out my career and I still enjoyed doing this type of work. Also as an audio tech I was generally not expected to be in multiple rehearsals every day, so I could attend to my other duties and avoid much of the interpersonal drama that goes along with being a musician. After a few years of being an audio tech I promote to the higher ranks and finished up my career as a leader and manager. This is something I would have hated doing when I was younger, but as I matured I found a great deal of satisfaction in leading and managing. I would have continued if it were not for policy on high year of tenure that limits how many years one can serve.

So for someone who never completed a formal music education and who never planned on being a professional musician, I think I did pretty well. I feel like the military band program was a very good match for me because my strength and talent is more related to versatility than getting really, really good at one specific thing. I got to live in Europe twice for a total of about 7 years. During my first European assignment I toured from Rota Spain to Scotland, Norway, to Russia to Saudi Arabia (and lots of places in between). I have also done deployments into Bosnia-Herzegovina, the Middle-East, and Krygyzstan, and on my second European assignment I provided audio support for a tour of Siberia.

Today I still practice electric bass fairly regularly. Mostly reading through Real Book tunes. I don't really have much desire to perform as that usually entails way more drama than I like to deal with. I had also planned on buying a nice upright this spring so I could work on orchestral excerpts. But Covid had put a crimp in this plan. So basically, I can't really imagine giving up the bass entirely even though I no longer really care to perform.
 
This is probably the surest way to make a living in music to be honest.

As far as I know, all the armed forces have bands of one form or another. Some are more difficult to the audition requirements than others. But back in 1972, there was an Army recruiter always happened to be at the restaurant where my band ate after practice. Well, instead we chose to starve for our art....Junior on the other hand is going to come out of there with a (approximately) $35 to $40k per year pension for life with cost of living adjustments. Sheese! LOL...
 
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I've been exactly where you are now (although it was a few decades ago) and can really understand what you are struggling with and appreciate what is at stake in choosing between staying on your current path or taking a new one. I have a lot of thoughts I'd be happy to share, but a TB post isn't the place for me to do it. If you would like to talk at some point (by phone/FaceTime/Skype/Zoom), just shoot me a PM.
 

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