Industrial Strength Industries?

[billfitzmaurice]

If you have enough juice, and if the speakers can take it, they claim max SPLs of 118 and 124 dB respectively.

Based on the claimed sensitivity and power handling that's about right. But again, you can achieve those figures with 100 watts using musical instrument drivers.

 

[GrowlerBox]

Based on the claimed sensitivity and power handling that's about right. But again, you can achieve those figures with 100 watts using musical instrument drivers.

Absolutely, I guess I'm just trying to throw them a bone, 'cause I like that they gave us a chart. Makes me wonder if they lurk here sometimes ...

 

[will33]

Ya, I don't have 2000 watts (in the bass rigs), and if I did, I'd expect it to give me a helluva lot more than 120db.

 

[will33]

Absolutely, I guess I'm just trying to throw them a bone, 'cause I like that they gave us a chart. Makes me wonder if they lurk here sometimes ...

Ya, I give them props for putting out the info. Just advertising them as MI speakers and then throwing up those charts is shooting ones self in the foot enough, it has to be honest, so +1 for honesty.

 

[will33]

Plus, as goofy as the name sounds, I kinda like it. I can imagine Leslie Nielson answering the phone.

 

[Korladis]

For some reason it sounds like a name from a video game. Like Aperture Science or something.


It is very nice of them to provide charts and such, though.

 

[GrowlerBox]

a Steve Carrell or a Liam Neeson or a Steve Martin

One of these things is not like the others ...

 

[will33]

Oktolieber....it's been a long day......THIS GUY.....

Getting my Niesons and my Neilsons mixed up here.

 

[GrowlerBox]

How's that?

Prolly woulda picked Carrell, but it's your boat.

 

[GrowlerBox]

Oktolieber....it's been a long day......THIS GUY.....

Getting my Niesons and my Neilsons mixed up here.

And your Leslies and Liams . But it all makes perfect sense now.

 

[will33]

I need a beer.........

 

[NecroticImbecil]

Before this thread gets locked, I feel compelled to chime in with my unwanted opinion.

A perusal of their web site leads me to one inescapable conclusion.

That Spector looks SWEET.

 

[walterw]

yeah, the "al-neo" thing seems bogus to me too, but i was gonna chime in with growlerbox's point;

given that these days, watts are light and cheap, and getting lighter and cheaper, maybe there's a place for a small bass cab that given the requisite ridiculous amounts of power, will have adequate volume and actual deep extended low end?

(although , having typed that, i'm put in mind of isobaric-type boxes with the extra speaker hidden inside; the one i heard also seemed to have way more lows than it "should" for its size, at the cost of being power-hungry and not that loud.)

 

[billfitzmaurice]

given that these days, watts are light and cheap, and getting lighter and cheaper, maybe there's a place for a small bass cab that given the requisite ridiculous amounts of power, will have adequate volume and actual deep extended low end?

Yes, but not with drivers with 36mm xmax. There is a middle ground, and it's very well served by 3012LF and 3015LF loaded cabs. If those are too large the not yet released 3010LF will be the one.

 

[will33]

Neo isn't back where it was but it has come down some. Any idea if they're going ahead with the 3010LF? I would imagine the design is already there. Waiting for some further stability in material sources?

 

[billfitzmaurice]

Any idea if they're going ahead with the 3010LF? I would imagine the design is already there. Waiting for some further stability in material sources?

I've seen them and have the specs. They're using every bit of neo they can get in the 3012 and 3015 series, so they're not going to introduce the 3010 series until supplies stabilize and prices come down. Most of the cost is in the motor, and as that's the same as the twelves and fifteens the 3010 will cost almost as much as they do, so it's not viable at present.

 

[Bass Unique]

The good news is they have SPL charts. The bad news is that they reveal that these are loaded with hi-fi subwoofer drivers that have 10dB less sensitivity than musical instrument drivers. That means what they'll do with 1,000 watts a musical instrument driver will do with 100.

An't we getting bogged down with broadband sensitivities here? the very fact that it has a 36mm Xmax and is in-sensitive at midrange frequencies does suggest this is ideal for a super low end woofer. Obviously, to obtain high midband sensitivity, you need to crossover to something else.

Low sensitivity does not mean low levels of sub bass..... In fact, it is usually due to higher cone mass which would produce large bass from smaller boxes. This driver probably easily matches the 3012LF at 30 to 40 Hz. However, to utilise the full X max, I would assume a large (ish) box is required!

 

[will33]

And the wait continues. I can imagine monster output in tiny packages. Expandable small combo amps that are actually gigable. It would turn something like the little Ibanez Promethian into something special.

 

[JimmyM]

An't we getting bogged down with broadband sensitivities here? the very fact that it has a 36mm Xmax and is in-sensitive at midrange frequencies does suggest this is ideal for a super low end woofer. Obviously, to obtain high midband sensitivity, you need to crossover to something else.

Low sensitivity does not mean low levels of sub bass..... In fact, it is usually due to higher cone mass which would produce large bass from smaller boxes. This driver probably easily matches the 3012LF at 30 to 40 Hz. However, to utilise the full X max, I would assume a large (ish) box is required!

I don't want 30 to 40hz when I play bass. I'm mostly concerned about 100-200hz and 500-1k. I guess maybe there are folks who do want it, but not at the expense of the other frequencies.

 

[billfitzmaurice]

This driver probably easily matches the 3012LF at 30 to 40 Hz.

Other than in home theater installations there is no benefit to going lower than what the 3012LF is capable of. That includes PA subwoofer applications.