I never questionned her habit to be reliable, creative and consistent. I questionned the fact that she is innovative and has a unique recognizable voice.
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Interesting article on Premier Guitar - Carol Kaye
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I never questionned her habit to be reliable, creative and consistent. I questionned the fact that she is innovative and has a unique recognizable voice.
Holy hell...please see post # 15 here. The songwriter, artist, musicians and producers say that track was cut in the snakepit with Mr Messina on guitar doubling Mr Jamerson on bass. Apparently only Ms Kaye and yourself choose to ignore the real evidence, and ONLY Ms Kaye...not Tommy Tedesco or ANY Wrecking Crew musicians or ANY west coast Motown musicians EVER went on the record and seem to recall that session...JUST Ms Kaye. Geez...give me a freaking break.
Innovative schminnovative. She did what she needed to do to make those records become hits, and that's way more awesome than being "innovative."
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Oh yeah, Claypool is such an innovator. Heard any of this, recorded in late 1971, 18 years before "Suck on This"?
Ever heard Claypool give any credit to Colin Hodkinson? Hodkkinson not only innovated the style, he does it better than Claypool ever dreamed of. Just IMO, so don't get excited.
Sorry, WAY off topic, but it (frizzle) fries me when Claypool is hailed as an "innovator". Nothing wrong with "borrowing" from someone else's style, but a little acknowledgment would be nice. But I guess that'd confuse the people who are re-writing history.
(BTW, check out The Residents' EP's "Duck Stab" and "Buster and Glen", also from the early/mid 70's, to find out where Les got his "innovative" vocal style.)
Yes...so long as you realize that there are liars out there!
BTW...We are reorganizing the 100 Greatest Bass Guitarists list on Digitaldreamdoor.com and Ms Kaye has been given a quite generous spot at #33. Wrecking Crew session ace Joe Osborn sits at # 13, and James Jamerson remains a solid #1.
Oh yeah...BTW, that's me in the following picture between Allen Rawls, CEO of The Motown Museum in Detroit and Berry Gordys Grand neice before a private videotaped tour of the facility. I know more about Motown than you, Ms Kaye, and all your friends combined. I think I know who played (fingerstyle) bass on IWMTLH Lol.
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I believe the way Carol Kaye plays the bass with a pick to be pretty darn unique and, yes, innovative.
Yeah, really, just think of all those bassists out there who sound just like her! Oh, wait a second--she was doing it years before any of them....hmmm.
Virtually EVERY former guitarist turned bassist (including Wrecking Crew ace Joe Osborn) plays with a pick. Big deal...The only thing Ms Kayes preference for a pick shows me is that she definitely did NOT play on Bernadette and I Was Made To Love Her (as she has falsely claimed)...neither one played with a pick as any real musician can tell. Listen to the stripped down version of Bernadette on the Standing In The Shadows Of Motown soundtrack. If any credible bassist hears the slightest hint of a pick...I'll eat my LaBella flatwounds...
Yeah, really, just think of all those bassists out there who sound just like her! Oh, wait a second--she was doing it years before any of them....hmmm.
What is the big deal of playing with a pick ? When she plays, she just sound like someone playing with a pick, nothing unique or extraordinaire or innovative in that.
Even at her time, other player used a pick.
Your computer obviously lacks the capacity to download the pictures or you lack the technical ability since others are well able to see those pics.
One picture is me and Funk Brother Joe Messina taken during our 4 hour visit when I was in Detroit last week. The next photo is me and my brother (respected television, film, and record composer/arranger/producer) as we are about to start a private tour of the Motown Historical Museum, also last week. The museum CEO, another longtime friend had a videographer accompany us on our nearly two hour tour for posterity.
FYI...I was the individual who nominated The Funk Brothers for their Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award, as well as the nomination for their star on The Hollywood Walk Of Fame...both successful campaigns. I have been asked to serve as their spokesperson these past few years as these honors and awards have been bestowed. Sadly, there are but three actual surviving Funk Brothers today with the unfortunate recent passing of Bob Babbitt. I feel it is my responsibility to set the record straight and maintain the truth and accuracy regarding the legendary legacy for this outstanding and unique group of musicians which I intend to do, despite some of the ridiculous claims made by certain jealous, bitter, and angry individuals.
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Hey man time for a chill pill, I'm not arguing with you here. I'm simply saying that Carol Kaye is an innovator not just because she uses a pick but the WAY she uses a pick. If you ever look into her approach, you will find that the way she plays with that pick can not only help one play very fast basslines with little effort, but it also makes sightreading easier as you have to think about it less. Reading and playing rhythms just come so natural to me now. Changed my world.
For the very worn out record (pun intended) I believe her to be mistaken in this case. She has recorded over 10000 sessions, many in a day, everyday for years. So she gets a big foggy about some things, big deal. Forgive it, let it go.
I really dislike that the mere mention of her name Talkbass always goes here and her massive contribution to our beloved instrument always gets overlooked and re-written in a way which is alot worse than her own mistakes.
Different strokes for different folks, but in my case I agree completely with this. I'm a meat & potatoes/song-oriented kind of bass player, though.
No big deal about playing with a pick--the earlier response (not from me) indicated that it was THE WAY she played with a pick. She even notes on her website that most LA bassists of the 60's played with a pick. But the "Tick Tack" bass sound characteristic of that era, especially the surf stuff, came largely from stuff she played on:
http://www.carolkaye.com/www/library/basshits.htm
Anyone who doesn't think that, for example, the Lalo Shifrin TV stuff (Mission Impossible, Hawaii Five-O) wasn't a wild new direction for bass guitar....wasn't around at the time.
She clearly acknowledges that there are many sessions where various other bass parts got used in addition to hers. I don't personally care who played bass on Bernadette. Fact is, she was a trailblazer who has forgotten more recording sessions that produced hits than anyone on this thread has ever played.
Just one. If you such a player why you so insecure about this...and still have no clue who the hell you are, it must be my lack of technical skill.
I have many pictures of me and famous people in social or business situations, don't mean I've been in their band or movies, or that I would claim I was.
Have fun w yourself, moving on
