Wow there is real aggressive bullspit in this thread. This anger and derision is a real turnoff.
Thank you OP for the link.
Thank you OP for the link.
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Interesting article on Premier Guitar - Carol Kaye
- Thread starter Dan Knowlton
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Final take on this topic for this thread...
Not Yet...I have no need to impress you...just answering your question as to who I am and what I know about this stuff.
I have always maintained that Ms Kaye is a fine musician...not the greatest electric bassist out there, but quite talented and credible as a player. Sadly her credibility as a player is diminished by her lack of credibility as a human being. Instead of telling me not to pick on a sad "old lady", perhaps those same people should tell that sad "old lady" to refrain from speaking ill of the dead, as she has consistantly done to James Jamerson since his death in the 80's . James is not here to defend himself against Ms Kayes slurs and false claims regarding his brilliant legacy...but I AM!
***...Carol Kaye is entitled to have feelings but James Jamersons family is not?
Not Yet...I have no need to impress you...just answering your question as to who I am and what I know about this stuff.
I have always maintained that Ms Kaye is a fine musician...not the greatest electric bassist out there, but quite talented and credible as a player. Sadly her credibility as a player is diminished by her lack of credibility as a human being. Instead of telling me not to pick on a sad "old lady", perhaps those same people should tell that sad "old lady" to refrain from speaking ill of the dead, as she has consistantly done to James Jamerson since his death in the 80's . James is not here to defend himself against Ms Kayes slurs and false claims regarding his brilliant legacy...but I AM!
***...Carol Kaye is entitled to have feelings but James Jamersons family is not?
Most people can't remember what they had for dinner last night, so a few "witnesses" from something that happened 45 years ago doesn't convince me. It probably was Jamerson (although that line is not exactly in his usual style, and nearly impossible to play fluidly with one right hand finger) Do you have a clip of the isolated bass track from the recording? I'd like to hear that. Also, please calm down
You are entitled to believe whatever you want. But when you put it out there on a forum, don't be shocked when people take exception with you. And Carol has never once spoke ill of Jamerson. They used to be friends and she tried to help him get work when times were slow for him. That's your interpretation if the situation that she spoke ill of him...an interpretation that is wrong.
BTW, calm down...you'll have a heart attack!
JAUQO III-X
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I love how the truth in history reveals itself. People really should do their homework before putting players on a god like pedestal.
A generous spot. You think Carole cares about you reorganizing a list to fit her? Whether Carol is at the bottom or the top of your list, she does belong on the list. I think Jamaaladeen Tacuma should be on the list, is he?.
I have had many conversation with Carol over the years and she has always spoken positive of Jamerson, always and she had a lot of respect for him. What would your thoughts on Carol be if she said that she played on tracks that Motown bassist Tony Newton played on?
And for the record I have the highest respect for Jamerson and his contribution and I have the same for Carole. Her gift and contribution should not be swept under a rug, it would be impossible to do so any way no matter how hard one may try.
Exactly.
Trust me...my blood pressure at last taking was 105/70...quite calm. As for Ms Kaye speaking kindly of Jamerson...not true. I've seen her take several digs at him, plus the greatest dig is claiming credit for his work. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Do the research yourself...according to Kaye..."I tried to help Jamerson but there were problems". Yeah...her jealousy was "the problem". As for the tracks cut at Hitsville...there's no dispute amongst those who were there...The Funk Brothers, which is why Standing In The Shadows of Motown was an award winning documentary and the film about The Wrecking Crew can't get enough funding to get it off the ground. The Funks had a sound while The Crew were terrific musicians who did session work.
Oh yeah...and though you can believe me or not...once you get past her admittedly outstanding technical skill, Carol Kayes legacy amongst most LA studio musicians is that of a somewhat sad joke.
Oh yeah...and though you can believe me or not...once you get past her admittedly outstanding technical skill, Carol Kayes legacy amongst most LA studio musicians is that of a somewhat sad joke.
I don't care what any of the witnesses say, the track (Made to Love Her) speaks for itself. An isolated bass would help to clear this up as it should be obvious whether the line was played with fingers or a pick.
I just don't get the need to constantly bang on Carol Kaye around here. It is over the top and appears to only come from her claiming to be on some of the tracks widely accepted to be Jamerson. For all we know she played on an alternate track that wasn't used. Fairly common in those days from what I've heard. Well ya know age does a funny thing to your memory and with her career she is deserving of at least a little slack. Attacking old ladies is in poor taste. You can defend your position without resorting to that.
Wrong again as usual. Jamerson's drinking problem and increasing paranoia brought on by too much drinking, along with an unwillingness to adapt to the times was the problem.
My band's guitarist went to the premiere of the Wrecking Crew movie a few months ago. Another wrong statement. Also, how long do you think it took Allan to get funding for the Motown movie? It took YEARS. An absolutely ridiculous statement that means absolutely nothing.
Name them and show proof, otherwise I'll have to add this to the "more BS you said" pile.
Jamersons personal issues were no secret. That said, Carol Kaye still badmouthed him out of extreme jealousy IMO.
Yes, my brother was also at the Wrecking Crew film early showing of the unfinished project, but I couldn't attend. Tommy Tedescos son is going around right now begging for money to FINISH the project. No takers so far, so you obviously just don't know what you're talking about. The project remains unfinished and the purpose for the showing you speak of was to raise enough funding to finish the project.
As for Carol Kayes reputation around town now...My remarks stand!
bongomania
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So....I read the whole article and there was no mention of Jamerson, yet the very first reply to the thread brought it up and started this $hit$torm. I realize that these forums take detours, but that was a quick one. Anyways, props to Carol for her legacy, even if she is a crazy old lady.
The last thing I'm gonna do is mention the names of prominent musicians I've had conversations with pertaining to Carol Kaye...but you can trust me I have...I'd be as nutty as her if I did.
BTW...This ENTIRE deal with CK claiming to have played on 60's Motown hits like Bernadette and IWMTLH is as absurd as claiming that the Cadillac parked outside was built at a Chrysler plant. Enjoy the Kool Aid...Lol
Be as "politically correct" as you wish, but it's Carol Kaye herself who touted the fact that she used to show up for sessions in miniskirts, and the most famous picture of her is the one where she's wearing a miniskirt, white go-go boots and glasses while playing her instrument...but if you want to see me puke, keep up the phony PC.
