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iOS Bass Players Thread #5, V, or cinco, take yer pick.
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Back when we were trying to find the vt pedal sound I remember watching this. The sound demo starts at 1:00 into the vid I would think this is without pedals in front of it. It does sound huge on the low end but still a lot of grit and punch.
I haven't played with the orange a lot yet but the gain and output may need to be adjusted to get it to growl.
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I haven't played with the orange a lot yet but the gain and output may need to be adjusted to get it to growl.
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I've gotten a great tone with the Orange by adding the BDDI in front of it to bring out the mids and highs. The Loomis OD and para-EQ works feet for this, too.
BDDI brings some brightness to the AD200, so does the painted OD, can't remember the name. Also the Bassmaster in front of the AD200 sounds great. Basically the AD200 is excellent with an OD in front as the AD is so lush and warm. I also like the Bass Muff in front of the AD200. The GK 700RB is also a great amp for placing what so ever in front.
Well, guys, the hammer has fallen. I got back from the doctor's a little while ago. I couldn't take the headache anymore.
This is iOS related, stick with me.
Ever since Friday night's gig, I've had a nasty headache and a hissing noise in my ears. Part of the drummer problem was the huge boost of volume during the last set of the gig. Huge boost.
Since then my hearing has been distorted, even my own speaking voice. I went to the doctor today and he did a quick hearing test before referring me to an audiologist. The test didn't go well. I have no hearing at all below 40db, across the spectrum. Severe loss in highs. The audiologist will confirm everything, but it looks like my days of loud amps are done for good if I want to continue to hear at all.
All night at the gig, he kept blasting his china cymbal, which was about two feet from my left ear. The stage was cramped and I couldn't really get away from it. He noticed and just hit it harder. I won't go into that, I already have, let's just say that that band is in my past.
So the doctor and I discussed options, as good as he could, not being a specialist. He came straight out and said that if I want to keep playing, it's time to convert to a silent stage or else.
So glad I've spent the time getting a sound I'm happy with in iOS, because now its my only shot to keep going. I'm still formulating a game plan but I'll at the very least be switching to a totally ampless rig for my next project. I've gotta take at least an 8 week break from playing live, so I've got some time to figure it all out.
So, my friends, the moral of the story is pretty simple. "If its too loud, you're too old" doesn't work. Laugh if you want, but it WILL come back to bite you. Protect your ears. You don't get a second set.
This is iOS related, stick with me.
Ever since Friday night's gig, I've had a nasty headache and a hissing noise in my ears. Part of the drummer problem was the huge boost of volume during the last set of the gig. Huge boost.
Since then my hearing has been distorted, even my own speaking voice. I went to the doctor today and he did a quick hearing test before referring me to an audiologist. The test didn't go well. I have no hearing at all below 40db, across the spectrum. Severe loss in highs. The audiologist will confirm everything, but it looks like my days of loud amps are done for good if I want to continue to hear at all.
All night at the gig, he kept blasting his china cymbal, which was about two feet from my left ear. The stage was cramped and I couldn't really get away from it. He noticed and just hit it harder. I won't go into that, I already have, let's just say that that band is in my past.
So the doctor and I discussed options, as good as he could, not being a specialist. He came straight out and said that if I want to keep playing, it's time to convert to a silent stage or else.
So glad I've spent the time getting a sound I'm happy with in iOS, because now its my only shot to keep going. I'm still formulating a game plan but I'll at the very least be switching to a totally ampless rig for my next project. I've gotta take at least an 8 week break from playing live, so I've got some time to figure it all out.
So, my friends, the moral of the story is pretty simple. "If its too loud, you're too old" doesn't work. Laugh if you want, but it WILL come back to bite you. Protect your ears. You don't get a second set.
wow Rip, hoping a little R n R (not Rock n Roll) time will get you some of that back. Godspeed, brother.
I could use some advice, even after reading iOS threads 3, 4, and 5. 
I'm sold on the iOS idea. I've been running direct or using my (old but great) GK MB200 for years. My days of the big cabinets and gear left over 20 years ago...
Up until a week ago, I almost pulled the trigger on a POD Pro rack mount unit, but then I started reading about the Apple apps, and came to the realization that it's not much different then recording in Sonar and other DAWs. IF I feel the need to have a real tube in the signal, I could easily put something like the Momark tube preamp after the bass.
My budget leads me to the Referb'd Ipad mini, or the iPad2 (maybe iPad3). Thing is, there hasn't been much discussion about the ability, or lack thereof, to read lyrics and run the bass effects at the same time. The reality is that my eyes AND memory are getting worst, so I'm leaning heavily toward the iPads, mostly due to the screen size. If it's even possible, does the iPad Mini or the iPad2 have the processing power needed to run a sheet music app and effects apps concurrently, while dealing with midi patch change info from a sequencer and/or a foot pedal?
Thanks for the help
I'm sold on the iOS idea. I've been running direct or using my (old but great) GK MB200 for years. My days of the big cabinets and gear left over 20 years ago...
Up until a week ago, I almost pulled the trigger on a POD Pro rack mount unit, but then I started reading about the Apple apps, and came to the realization that it's not much different then recording in Sonar and other DAWs. IF I feel the need to have a real tube in the signal, I could easily put something like the Momark tube preamp after the bass.
My budget leads me to the Referb'd Ipad mini, or the iPad2 (maybe iPad3). Thing is, there hasn't been much discussion about the ability, or lack thereof, to read lyrics and run the bass effects at the same time. The reality is that my eyes AND memory are getting worst, so I'm leaning heavily toward the iPads, mostly due to the screen size. If it's even possible, does the iPad Mini or the iPad2 have the processing power needed to run a sheet music app and effects apps concurrently, while dealing with midi patch change info from a sequencer and/or a foot pedal?
Thanks for the help
My thought is that the switching might get tricky, trying to turn pages on the sheet music while maintaining your effects pedalboard switching.
Other than that, the dual processor iPads/iPhones (iPhone 4S,5, and newer iPads with retina display) should have no problems doing both.
Most of the amp sim apps have the ability to work in the background, so you could set your tone and then open the sheet music app. Like I said, the only thing I can see getting hairy is switching effects or turning pages.
Other than that, the dual processor iPads/iPhones (iPhone 4S,5, and newer iPads with retina display) should have no problems doing both.
Most of the amp sim apps have the ability to work in the background, so you could set your tone and then open the sheet music app. Like I said, the only thing I can see getting hairy is switching effects or turning pages.
...tapping fingers on the table...
Welcome to the fold, my brother.
Don't despair however; it could be worse. At least you got evaluated and there are solutions (not perfect, and expensive) available. AND, you already know how to play, so believe it or not the notes/pitches are already in your head. It's a heck of a lot steeper hill to climb if you're trying to learn with the disability.
Hopefully you can become an ambassador for iOS and hearing protection best practices around these parts.
Not a bad idea, my friend.
As I've been deciding my new direction, I've seriously considered an acoustic duet, or an acoustic rock band with an electronic drummer.
The iOS rigs will absolutely shine in this situation. I guess I'm gonna need some new presets!!
Maybe a setup where I can play acoustic guitar AND bass with loopers..... The possibilities really are there, though some parts are expensive. Like you said, though, I already know how to play. That helps more than you could imagine.
As I've been deciding my new direction, I've seriously considered an acoustic duet, or an acoustic rock band with an electronic drummer.
The iOS rigs will absolutely shine in this situation. I guess I'm gonna need some new presets!!
Maybe a setup where I can play acoustic guitar AND bass with loopers..... The possibilities really are there, though some parts are expensive. Like you said, though, I already know how to play. That helps more than you could imagine.
The acoustic duet/trio is the most fun I've had playing at a coffee shop. A buddy and I have even talked about busking in Portland. This goes back to the idea of the iOS device being your gig book and effects at the same time. Small and efficient, indeed.
Down-sizing and playing softer on stage does not mean that the mains can't be considerably louder. In the late 80's I toured in a 4-piece band that had a sequencer (and IBM lunchbox 8088 with cakewalk), and we all ran direct to the board and used floor monitors. This worked well for very small pubs and large showcase/festivals alike. In my case, I wasn't drawn to the idea because I've been using android, and there's not much of a following for effects with that OS for some reason. If we're talking about processing power, it's stunning to think that an iPad4 could possibly manage sequencer/DAW playback, guitar/bass effects, AND song book duties AT THE SAME TIME.
It would be cool to have an app that would setup a setlist such that when that song was selected, either by footswitch or triggered by the end of a sequence, would display and/or start the next sequence/lyrics in the setlist. But now we're thinking in the realms of live performance software on an iPad. There's got to be a code monkey somewhere we can give a bunch of bananas to make this happen, right.
If you have an iPhone, you can run your iOS music apps on that, and run your lyrics apps on your iPad.
Rip, I am so sorry to hear this. That drummer dude is a vampire - and not only did he suck some blood out of you, he stole some of your hearing too.
Your plan to regroup and double down is the key to your future.
What's done is done. What has been done cannot be undone.
Out, damn spot! Out I say!
(now write that album. It is in you. Let it come out.)
I read some of the threads and it seems the Apogee was most's input device of choice. I wanted to got XLR also and was thinking about the Alesis dock? Has anyone had any luck with it?
Did anybody not notice he was using a freakin iRigwow. I thought he didn't want signal degradation
They are amazing musicians though. I have great admiration for these guys.
He points to a Roland VG 99... and says " I use this thing in front of the Mesa" and he calls it a zoom earlier.
The IO Dock is a bit of a lemon, lots of problem reports. I don't like mine, makes unwanted noise. I'm looking at replacing it, maybe a Roland Duo-Capture EX.
Welcome to the dark side Troy.
I understand that he's modulating the AT tone into another crazy effect app and the crosstalk and such really wouldn't affect what he's doing. But it seems he would go digital at least. It would be even better.
About the Alesis.... I've heard some that aren't happy with theirs and some are. If you want to go XLR I would spend more on the interface like an itrack solo or an apogee and then DI out. That gives you a higher bit rate than the Alesis is spec'd for. I believe the Alesis is a 16bit/44khz. Which is good but now there are better bit rate devices for just a small amount more. I bought my art USB dual pre and CCK back when all that was available was 16bit devices at that price range. It has combo inputs (instrument and xlr) and doubles as a desktop interface. it is 16 bit but at least I could go 48khz it's a two channel with phantom powered inputs if needed, but live, of course, I only ever need the one input. It also handled the ad/da. The art sounds fantastic live but now a days if and when I buy another it will be a higher bit rate device.
I have an Apogee One which has both 1/4 and XLR Inputs both can be used at the same time and it provides phantom power and powers the iOS device if you plug in its wall wart. It also works as the output device taking that load off the iOS side.
I like it a lot.
I have an iTrack Solo. It's an extremely good interface, and nicely multi-purpose as it usable with a PC, Mac or iOS device.
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