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iOS Bass Players Thread #6 - World Domination

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Sorry for the newbie question...
How do you exit/close jamup on the ipad. I am not sure if jamup or audiobus stays on but there is a red bar across my ipad when I exit the app the normal way by touching the home key. I googled for jamup instructions but got none.
 
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troy mcclure said:
Sorry for the newbie question...
How do you exit/close jamup on the ipad. I am not sure if jamup or audiobus stays on but there is a red bar across my ipad when I exit the app the normal way by touching the home key. I googled for jamup instructions but got none.
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Just like any other app:

double tap home

for iOS prior to 7, tap and hold the app until it wiggles, then hit the little X. For 7, swipe up on the picture of the app.
 
#284
themensch said:
Wait, they aren't the same? This guy is saying they are, and that was my understanding.... I've been a "by feel" player for so long it's not impossible I am confused.

edit: aha, shuffle seems to imply swing by a measure that coincides with the existing time signature, so it's polyrhythmic like playing a 12/8 over a 4/4. Now we're talking the same language, and yeah, faking a 9/8 out of any of these ios apps I've tried has been an exercise in futility. I am obviously doing something wrong.
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This guy does a pretty good job of showing the differences.


Shuffle:
Rosanna
Breakdown dead ahead
Nothin' to Nobody
Mexican Radio

Swing:
You've been so good up to now.
Love's sneakin' up on you. (Hi-hat, mostly)

It's true, the difference is subtle in 4/4 time, but very different in 3/4 or 6/8. The difference is that instead of going 1 2&3&, it's 1&2&3&. I can't find examples of a 3/4 shuffle

A lot of the drum machines in the iOS world, that I've found, are step sequencers. They're killing me, because I want the feel of a real drummer, and not quantized steps. Then I wan to play them as patterns and call out the patterns with a foot pedal. I'm not asking for much, right? :ninja: :) :smug:
 
#285
FEF said:
A lot of the drum machines in the iOS world, that I've found, are step sequencers. They're killing me, because I want the feel of a real drummer, and not quantized steps.
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Thanks for all that, man! It's good to learn something musical when I've been at this so long it seems like the only thing left to learn is Pelog modes. (not true, but you catch my drift.)

I agree, you put your finger right on one of my main beefs with ios drum machines. I love working an 8 triplet feel over a 4 drum pattern and I've had a heck of a time programming Mr. Drumbot to do it. Still beats having a drummer living on the couch, though.

Now, one could eschew the builtin sequencers and quantization and just play a beat, as difficult as that gets to arrange.... I'm not out gigging anymore so I can tolerate a little inconvenience.
 
#286
My main reason for needing the drum app is that I lead worship. I write arrangements of hymns that are the old 3/4 swing, but some I make a shuffle because it drives the beat more then a swing. To me a swing is laid back while a shuffle is more aggressive and pushes more. I have written arrangements of popular P/W songs in a samba, straight-up jazz, country, blues, the works...

The one thing the iOS folks have done is brought music making to the masses. That's both good and bad in that they've allowed people to make some amazing music with little to no music training, but the apps are dumbed down a bit too much for my taste.

As an example, EB LE has the swing function. If you have a hi-hat on every step, it literally stretches the steps on the beat and swings the other 1/8ths. I'd be tickled to death if they would swing every 1/8th note and let me remove a step or two to get a real swing. This is why I feel they've moved too far to the uneducated. Those that have not studied may not know that the main difference (not counting accents and pushing and pulling beats) is that a shuffle swings every 1/8th note so they must remove one after beat 1 and 3. This description is simplified, but the the basic idea is that the app writers assume everyone wants the up of beat 1 and 3 removed and tries to do it for us.

With a sequencer like Sonar, you'd change the velocity and push the notes a few ticks early or late to get the feel you're looking for. Perhaps it's my OCD (I'm convinced that most musicians have it, diagnosed or not), but I've spent days to get the drum tracks the way I want. So much so, that people have asked who the drummer was. I tell them I did all the percussion, of course :)

In short, my dream sequencer:
- A step sequencer is fine (as long as I can control note velocity). A step sequencer with the ability to push/pull notes +/- a few ticks would be awesome.
- Able to swing every 1/8th. Don't try to remove an 1/8th to make it swing.
- Let me write whole verses, choruses, intros, bridges, and endings, of different measure lengths as patterns
- "Song Mode" that will play selected patterns from beginning to end, then stop.
- When in "Song Mode", allow me to remotely choose what pattern is to come next, then change only after the current pattern is done, then continue from that point in "Song Mode".
- Have a "Set List" for live use.
- In "Set List" mode, allow the user to choose if they want to stop after every song, or choose a delay in seconds.

I can't believe the iOS world doesn't have this yet. A few come close. Those features would make the best live sequencer, ever. Maybe the IK Multimedia guys still have their ears on. :help: :ninja: :cool: :D - Alternatively, if any of you know of a sequencer that will do all the above, I'd love to hear about it.
 
#287
Well, this is embarrassing...

EB LE will change from 1/8 swing to 1/16 without you knowing. So if you're not reading and just listening, you can move the swing and change it. I thought it was a repeatable bug. I admit, it's my ignorance. Still, not the way I'd do the interface, though.

With the swing/shuffle thing ironed out, I still need to get the pattern/song/live mode ironed out to make it usable for me.
 
#288
Anybody else have the Sonic Port yet? I've only tried it with headphones so far, but I couldn't get much level out of the headphone jack. I had to turn the iPad volume to max and max the level in JamUp as well. Is there another setting somewhere I'm missing that will give it more?

Thanks,

MX
 
#289
FEF said:
In short, my dream sequencer:
- A step sequencer is fine (as long as I can control note velocity). A step sequencer with the ability to push/pull notes +/- a few ticks would be awesome.
- Able to swing every 1/8th. Don't try to remove an 1/8th to make it swing.
- Let me write whole verses, choruses, intros, bridges, and endings, of different measure lengths as patterns
- "Song Mode" that will play selected patterns from beginning to end, then stop.
- When in "Song Mode", allow me to remotely choose what pattern is to come next, then change only after the current pattern is done, then continue from that point in "Song Mode".
- Have a "Set List" for live use.
- In "Set List" mode, allow the user to choose if they want to stop after every song, or choose a delay in seconds.
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I know the dev for the app solicits feedback, maybe it's worth tracking him down for these suggestions.
 
#291
MX21 said:
Anybody else have the Sonic Port yet? I've only tried it with headphones so far, but I couldn't get much level out of the headphone jack. I had to turn the iPad volume to max and max the level in JamUp as well. Is there another setting somewhere I'm missing that will give it more?

Thanks,

MX
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I should probably add that I'm using a passive bass, although it's typically a pretty hot output. I tried adding a preamp in between the bass and the Sonic Port, but that only caused clipping in the input signal, so my bass's input level is probably fine.
 
#292
I'm not sure about the Sonic Port, but the Guitar Jack 2 has a control app buried in something called "GuitarTone" that allows one to set levels in the interface.

There might be something similar buried in whichever Line 6 app comes with the Sonic Port...
 
#294
MX21 said:
I should probably add that I'm using a passive bass, although it's typically a pretty hot output. I tried adding a preamp in between the bass and the Sonic Port, but that only caused clipping in the input signal, so my bass's input level is probably fine.
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I got the sonic port but have been busy so only used it a couple times. I also experienced low headphone output but i haven't yet tried to figure out why. I'd be interested to know if you find a fix, since I replaced my Apogee Jam with this pretty much only because of the additional I/O.
 
#297
themensch said:
I know the dev for the app solicits feedback, maybe it's worth tracking him down for these suggestions.
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You know what?? I did. Here's the response.
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Hi Fredric,


There are some really good suggestions on your list, so I've added them all to my feature request list. I think a couple of them will require some work but others would be pretty easy so may appear shortly. It really depends how well I can work them in to the interface.

I assume you already know you can alter the velocity of each trigger step and set the number of steps per bar to 64?

In any case thanks for the feedback, it really is appreciated!


Regards,
Christian Inkster
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On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:30 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:

message: Greetings,
On the talkbass forums, we were talking about EB3 and other drum machine/sequencers. The consensus is that it's pretty good, but I'm still looking for a few features that many others, including EB3, don't have. I was encouraged to share my list, as I'm told you solicit feedback.

Realizing that EB3 already does a few of these points, here's the list of features of my ideal iOS sequencer app.
- A step sequencer is fine (as long as I can control note velocity). A step sequencer with the ability to push/pull notes +/- a few ticks, to fine tune the groove, would be awesome.
- Resolution up to 64th notes for flourishes at slower tempos.
- The ability to write whole verses, choruses, intros, bridges, and endings, of different measure lengths, as patterns. Or, if the user chooses, a song could be written as one pattern.
- "Song Mode" that will play a number of selected patterns (at least 5-7) from beginning to end, one after another (serial), then stop.
- When in "Song Mode", allow the user to remotely (MIDI, Air-Turn, ect) choose what pattern is to come next, then change only after the current pattern is done, then continue from that point in "Song Mode" to the end of the serial pattern flow.
- Have a "Set List" for live use.
- In "Set List" mode, allow the user to choose if they want to stop after every song, or choose a delay in seconds.
- The regular MIDI commands found in other desktop PC/Mac sequencer/DAW software.

I like EB3 quite a lot, but I'm frustrated in my attempt to make the app what I need for live use. If there's a way to make these line items happen in EB3, currently, I'd love to know how. Alternatively, you'd make this working musician ecstatic if I could have most of the features above in a release coming soon. As I play every weekend, I'd be more then happy to help test, if it helps.

Thanks for your time,
name: Fredric
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I'm impressed that he answered, and even more impressed that he answered in less then 24 hours. Customer service like that is very rare, indeed. It shows me that he cares.
 
#299
FEF said:
You know what?? I did. Here's the response.
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I'm impressed that he answered, and even more impressed that he answered in less then 24 hours. Customer service like that is very rare, indeed. It shows me that he cares.
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Man, that's awesome. That's the kinda response that makes me happy I gave him my money. :bassist:
 
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