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iOS Bass Players Thread #6 - World Domination

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I'm trying to change patches/songs in DM1 and/or BM3. Am I wasting my time? Is it even possible?

I can't use either one live if I can't change DM1/BM3 songs via MIDI. I've been looking for the info, but haven't been successful. I could use a hint to the right direction to look.
 
For those keeping score at home, DM1, BM3, Genome, no drum machine or sequencer I've found, receives MIDI program change data. You can't change songs/sequences with any iOS app that I've found via MIDI. A few will send patch/program change data, but none will receive it.

This means that there's still a big hole for live performance. You can not go from one song/sequence to another without touching the screen. for example, OnSong will send out MIDI data to change songs/sequences when a page is turned, but there is no iOS sequencer that will receive the data sent.

If I did write the app that would run down a setlist, I haven't found any sequencer the new app could work with. And this is a huge blow for the solo performer, in my opinion.

If any of you know of a sequencer that can change songs/patterns via a MIDI controller, I'd sure like to know about it. I hope I'm wrong.
 
That's what he wants to do, but he cannot link AmpKit to it due to it's not being able to handle DSPs. I do believe that's what he eventually wants to do. He just hasn't purchased the outboard gear yet to handle the routing. Baby steps.

Tell him to download SOUNDFLOWER... it let's AMPKIT ( desktop ) send it's audio into another app, like MainStage 3... Agile has said they are considering VST/AU compatibility in a future version.

I think if he downloaded MainStage 3, he wouldn't look back at Ampkit again. MainStage has some extremely awesome sounding gear packed in for $30.. you are gettings all the plugins and effects from Logic Pro.
 
For those keeping score at home, DM1, BM3, Genome, no drum machine or sequencer I've found, receives MIDI program change data. You can't change songs/sequences with any iOS app that I've found via MIDI. A few will send patch/program change data, but none will receive it.

This means that there's still a big hole for live performance. You can not go from one song/sequence to another without touching the screen. for example, OnSong will send out MIDI data to change songs/sequences when a page is turned, but there is no iOS sequencer that will receive the data sent.

If I did write the app that would run down a setlist, I haven't found any sequencer the new app could work with. And this is a huge blow for the solo performer, in my opinion.

If any of you know of a sequencer that can change songs/patterns via a MIDI controller, I'd sure like to know about it. I hope I'm wrong.

Try Noisepad. It may do what you need.
 
Try Noisepad. It may do what you need.
Thanks for the tip. I dug around a bit.

Noise Pad says "- MIDI support (notes & clock sync, in/out)". The site and all the descriptions don't mention even the ability to send Program Change info. Notes in and out, and clock sync in and out are mentioned all over the place. Looks like another strike out.
 
So, just got into this iOS stuff, having bought the new iPad Mini and an iRig Stomp ... but this thread is so HUGE ... is there an overview?

Best Interfaces ?
iRig stomp is not bad, but there are many around, so maybe there's a comparison somewhere ?

How to achieve lowest latencies?
The latency with Amplitube is fairly decent, but Audiobus latency (with 256 frames as the lowest setting) ist WAY too high for my taste ...

How to achieve lowest noise?
Is there a possibility to reduce the noise with Amplitube, i.E. using a different Interface ? Interestingly, using the 1/4" output, the noise is pretty much ok, but on the Headphone output its horrible, really ...

Are there any good bass effects ?
The Moog Filtatron is nice, but i really don't like the effects in Amplitube ... i.E. the Octaver has horrible tracking and doesn't even roughly resemble an OC-2 or MXR M288, while the envelope filter doesn't react well to playing dynamics and doesn't work linear at all, there are clearly audible "steps" in the filtering ... sorry, but that's not even a "nice try", it's pure frustration ...

The B-15 Simulation in Amplitube is quite decent, though ...

Probably the answers are buried somewhere in here and someone knows where to dig ...
 
So, just got into this iOS stuff, having bought the new iPad Mini and an iRig Stomp ... but this thread is so HUGE ... is there an overview?

Not really, but if you have specific questions, you'll get very experienced people answering them here.

Best Interfaces ?
iRig stomp is not bad, but there are many around, so maybe there's a comparison somewhere?

Again, not really, it sort of depends on how you envision using it? Live performance? Studio stuff? Just mucking about?

How to achieve lowest latencies?
The latency with Amplitube is fairly decent, but Audiobus latency (with 256 frames as the lowest setting) ist WAY too high for my taste ...

Inter app audio may make that obsolete, but we'll have to see. Generally, I use outboard gear into my rig, so I don't typically run Audiobus.

How to achieve lowest noise?
Is there a possibility to reduce the noise with Amplitube, i.E. using a different Interface ? Interestingly, using the 1/4" output, the noise is pretty much ok, but on the Headphone output its horrible, really ...

Yes. Digital interfaces are much better than anything coming out of your headphone jack. I use a Focusrite iTrack solo. Others use the Apogee Jam, and still others use the iRig HD, and other solutions. How you plan on using your iOS device will steer you a bit as to which interface you use.

Are there any good bass effects ?
The Moog Filtatron is nice, but i really don't like the effects in Amplitube ... i.E. the Octaver has horrible tracking and doesn't even roughly resemble an OC-2 or MXR M288, while the envelope filter doesn't react well to playing dynamics and doesn't work linear at all, there are clearly audible "steps" in the filtering ... sorry, but that's not even a "nice try", it's pure frustration ...

There are some good ones out there, and JamUp Pro is where you'll find an abundance of them. That being said, I run an outboard multi-effects pedal, as it does some of the things I want it to do much better than the iOS versions do, for now.

The B-15 Simulation in Amplitube is quite decent, though ...

It is good. Deep and rich. But if you're looking for Ampeg gear, the Ampkit SVTs are really good as well, and you can change your mic placement to change the sound a bit with it. Something I wish JamUp could do. Overall, though, the most malleable tool for bass players right now in the iOS galaxy is JamUp and the Bass Expansion packs.

Hope that helped.
 
Yes, thanks ... mayby i'll go for an iTrack Solo, as it's still small and anything ... seems likable ...

I was actually hoping that i could use it as an effects processer for occasions where i have to use public transportation to get there, as my main effects board is way too heavy for that (~20 Kg ... yes, i love effects ;))

Edit: is the latency with the iTrack any better/worse than with the internal audio jack ?
 
Not really, but if you have specific questions, you'll get very experienced people answering them here.



Again, not really, it sort of depends on how you envision using it? Live performance? Studio stuff? Just mucking about?



Inter app audio may make that obsolete, but we'll have to see. Generally, I use outboard gear into my rig, so I don't typically run Audiobus.



Yes. Digital interfaces are much better than anything coming out of your headphone jack. I use a Focusrite iTrack solo. Others use the Apogee Jam, and still others use the iRig HD, and other solutions. How you plan on using your iOS device will steer you a bit as to which interface you use.



There are some good ones out there, and JamUp Pro is where you'll find an abundance of them. That being said, I run an outboard multi-effects pedal, as it does some of the things I want it to do much better than the iOS versions do, for now.



It is good. Deep and rich. But if you're looking for Ampeg gear, the Ampkit SVTs are really good as well, and you can change your mic placement to change the sound a bit with it. Something I wish JamUp could do. Overall, though, the most malleable tool for bass players right now in the iOS galaxy is JamUp and the Bass Expansion packs.

Hope that helped.

I think that regarding Ampeg SVT, the Ampkit gear is very good, better then Amplitube, on a par or a bit better then JamUp. The BIAS SVT Blue is the best out of the SVT's. Ampkit BDDI is also a killer.
BIAS+ Jamup and the 2 bass packs plus a digital interface gives you about everything you need. I really like the iTrack Solo, but the Apogee jam is well proved and gives great value for the price.
Stay away from iRig, iStomp or ANY interface which send signal into your iDevice via the headphone socket. If you can get an interface which both send and revive digital signal from your iDevice.
 
Yes, thanks ... mayby i'll go for an iTrack Solo, as it's still small and anything ... seems likable ...

I was actually hoping that i could use it as an effects processer for occasions where i have to use public transportation to get there, as my main effects board is way too heavy for that (~20 Kg ... yes, i love effects ;))

Edit: is the latency with the iTrack any better/worse than with the internal audio jack ?
I have the Sonic Port. I really like it, and it's worth a look with 3.5mm AND 1/4" ins and outs. Plus, it's digital, and $100 w/Line 6 mobile app that's not half bad.
 
Just ordered an iTrack Solo ... really excited!

Which of the abovementioned Apps encomprises a good lowpass filter, if any ?

One of my favourite Effect combinations is Octaver -> Fuzz/Dist/OD -> LP filter, so i'd really like to recreate this with the iDevice ...

Furthermore, does anybody know if there's some "freaky" stuff. like bitcrushers etc?
 
Just ordered an iTrack Solo ... really excited!

Which of the abovementioned Apps encomprises a good lowpass filter, if any ?

One of my favourite Effect combinations is Octaver -> Fuzz/Dist/OD -> LP filter, so i'd really like to recreate this with the iDevice ...

Furthermore, does anybody know if there's some "freaky" stuff. like bitcrushers etc?

Haven't seen a bit crusher on iOS nor have I seen any oddities. Mostly standard fare effects are available so you would have to be creative with your effects to get the weird stuff. There is a HP filter as an add-on for JamUp bit I don't think anyone has a low pass filter..
 
All,

I could use some Mac/Apple advise.

I was thinking that I'd get a DR-880 (Roland drum machine) that I could control with my iPad, since iOS does not have a proper solution. But then I thought that if I got an older Mac laptop, there's tons of stuff that will work with the Touch and iPad. Much of the newer Mac stuff requires 64-bit processors. Here's the question:

If you could get an older '08+ 64-bit, 11"-13" laptop for live use, what would you get? Then, what sequence software would you get to run through a setlist and network MIDI sync with the iPad and Touch? I have a lot of Windows experience, especially with Sonar, but no experience with Mac stuff.

Any opinion is welcome.
 
Yes, thanks ... mayby i'll go for an iTrack Solo, as it's still small and anything ... seems likable ...

I was actually hoping that i could use it as an effects processer for occasions where i have to use public transportation to get there, as my main effects board is way too heavy for that (~20 Kg ... yes, i love effects ;))

Edit: is the latency with the iTrack any better/worse than with the internal audio jack ?

The latency has more to do with the processor and amount of processing the whole rig requires. Newer iOS devices have a much accelerated processor, and definitely keep latency low. My iPhone 4S is acceptable for me, but if I really was conceded about latency, I'd run it into my MacBook instead.

That being said, the iTrack Solo is 24bit, 96kHz, which will definitely shine when run through a MacBook's processing, but isn't fully leveraged on most iOS devices. As a more malleable device, it definitely is a great buy, as you can run vocals with it or 1/4" inputs. Focusrite preamps definitely make a difference as well, as the sound is greatly enhanced.
 
...I thought that if I got an older Mac laptop, there's tons of stuff that will work with the Touch and iPad. Much of the newer Mac stuff requires 64-bit processors. Here's the question:

If you could get an older '08+ 64-bit, 11"-13" laptop for live use, what would you get?

I work with this stuff all day (I'm a computer consultant supporting AlisVet, a piece of veterinary software that runs on Windows and Mac).

Be careful about those older MacBooks.

In order to keep things simple for non-IT types, the kernel was locked in 32-bit mode on a lot of the older models. Even though the Core2Duo processor supported it, you couldn't switch into 64-bit mode, even with an aftermarket utility like this one:
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Many of the older MacBooks also can't be upgraded past OS X Lion, and the early aluminum ones didn't have a Firewire port (this can be a problem when recording audio on USB 2.0 machines).

The earliest models you want to look at are the mid 2009 13.3" Core2Duo aluminum MacBook Pro's. They have Firewire support, run in true 64-bit mode without any trickery, and can be updated all the way to Mavericks, OS X 10.9. These little guys are widely available, have great battery life, can be upgraded with SSD's and lots of RAM in the aftermarket, and make a solid basis for a laptop audio package.

Because of continuing teething pains with various audio apps and Mavericks, I would personally get off the bus at OS X 10.8 (Mountain Lion).
 
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