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iOS, iPhone, iPad and music 101

thanks Rippah!

BRIBRI!! HALLO!!!

urm. i guess the Focusrite right now. you can go usb in and it's got 1/4 and midi out i think.

i hope they make an adapter or a new version of the IO Dock. it's pretty much perfect for how i want to use the little bugger. only thing i would like is if it was a tad sturdier. it's plastic, not metal. but so is the keyboard so...... yeah.

i'm gonna buy a 'pad 4 to replace the way i use the 'pad 3 for home, that way i'll have a dock and a lightning option.

****ing hate Apple. seriously. why not go with a micro usb? except for the obvious Lock You Into Our Product reasons. they truly don't care about their customers at all.
 
Benny-boy. If we ever have a son, my wife's always wanted to call him Ben. It wouldn't be after you, but you could tell people it is :)

The reasons are obvious- "lightning" sounds way cooler than "30 pin," so they had to change it :hmm:
 
Benny-boy. If we ever have a son, my wife's always wanted to call him Ben. It wouldn't be after you, but you could tell people it is :)

The reasons are obvious- "lightning" sounds way cooler than "30 pin," so they had to change it :hmm:

this makes me sad that it is true.

also, that way you have to buy **** just for the 'pad/'fone, not for anything Android you might switch over to later.

EVIL MANIACAL MONKEYS.

i.......... always assumed ANYbody with the appellation Ben was named after me. even the people older than me.

I AM JUST THAT CONCEITED.
 
I'm actually quite sure Apple have nothing to do with Android audio issues. Android is just a mini Linux, and Linux have serious limitations regarding audio and latency as well.
Mac OSX is based as far as I know on BSD. iOS, well, I'm not sure, but I'll assume it is a stripped down BSD version. Anyway, Apple have very good audio support in OSX, and obviously in iOS as well.
 
So lemme ask a favor of the folks who've been in this thread since the start...

I currently use my iPad mostly for worship music, along with an airturn, to basically not have to mess around with paper, hand turning pages (or a lot of doctoring to compress to 2-3 sheets) and music stand lights anymore. Planning Center Online type stuff. That of course and the usual other non-music related stuff, and have spent just a little time with ikmultimedia stuff.

Here's what I'm after...

I'm looking for something simple/quick and fun to jam with. I'm not looking to author anything. So for example, maybe a drum app, but one that already has a lot of great loops that come with it. Maybe even better, a "jam" app, where I can define a chord structure and style, and just press "go".

I think the Real Book app has some of this, but I was wondering if there was something else out there as a generic jam/practice tool (as opposed to an authoring/performance tool) that's really cool.

Lil' help?
 
no, you're misunderstanding my point i think. i don't think they specifically are trying to stop people going to Android, or that Android is the best alternative. i know next to nothing about the platform. was just using it as an example since they're the most viable competitor for mobile stuff right now.

i DO know, and it's completely obvious if you look at the way their company is run and the devices they release, that having unique interfaces or OS's or anything they can do that makes it just different enough to not be compatible with the standard.... is so their game plan. they lock you into their gear. and have bought out competitor's before just to take them away from pc's. Logic? i got stuck with 2 or 3 Logic specific interfaces back in the day when Apple bought them and announced within a day that no updates for pc, ever.

i can't stand Apple, hate the totally false image that they've sold the public on as innovators and the more free-spirited open minded caring company. 's all bull****.

but. the 'pad is a better fit than a laptop for what i want now and it works great. very happy with it. glad they got it right. even if it's overpriced and the no expandable memory lets them screw you on the pricing tier.
 
nope. i disagree. yes, it's a well constructed device. but once you have the entry level model, you're gouging prices going up $100 for every 32 gigs. you could add a micro sd card for a fraction of that.

you're paying more for the Apple stamp then a comparable device from another company. same as with Apple desktop/laptop stuff.

doesn't really matter that i disagree though. opinons, buttholes. all that. also, 's getting off topic.

looks like i have an Elektronik Koma BD-101 coming in. huh. love the Flashback and Year2525 with the 'pad, might try the BD-101 with it though.
 
The iPad is not overpriced, that I'm sure of. Aluminum construction with this kind of quality finish and tolerance cost something to manufacture. The integrity of the structure is impressive, and actually quite cutting edge. I'm quite impressed for what Apple archived with the various idevices.

nope. i disagree. yes, it's a well constructed device. but once you have the entry level model, you're gouging prices going up $100 for every 32 gigs. you could add a micro sd card for a fraction of that.

you're paying more for the Apple stamp then a comparable device from another company. same as with Apple desktop/laptop stuff.

doesn't really matter that i disagree though. opinons, buttholes. all that. also, 's getting off topic.

looks like i have an Elektronik Koma BD-101 coming in. huh. love the Flashback and Year2525 with the 'pad, might try the BD-101 with it though.

I disagree with ya both in the fact that iPads are super easy to break its not at all a thing of strength....the proud announcement that their devices are made of aluminum is laughable.....you know soda cans are made of the same material and they crush with ease. Aluminum is not strong at all especially in the thickness we have on an iPad. And the screens placed on these things are super easy to break too. As a matter of fact if you don't get an iPad and immediately put it in a military grade protective case. You're throwing your money away. And they cost near 100 bucks for it too then you are insane...and are asking for it to get broken the first time you drop it on accident. For the amount of money that one of these things cost I would have much rather have it be a slightly bit more bulky then to wrap it in an expensive case......that makes it more bulky. They should make them more durable.
But...
Behndy is right that there should be a 64 gig version and that's it. It costs so little for the actual hardware that it the 64gigs of flash memory compared to price and size of a 16 gig card. I and my wife both have an iPad 2.....hers is the 16gig mine is the 32 gig.....you know what they look exactly the same. But mine cost a hundred more than hers. That's a hundred dollars worth of 16 more gigs on a card that probably costs about ten bucks more from the supplier.
 
I disagree with ya both in the fact that iPads are super easy to break its not at all a thing of strength....the proud announcement that their devices are made of aluminum is laughable.....you know soda cans are made of the same material and they crush with ease. Aluminum is not strong at all especially in the thickness we have on an iPad. And the screens placed on these things are super easy to break too. As a matter of fact if you don't get an iPad and immediately put it in a military grade protective case. You're throwing your money away. And they cost near 100 bucks for it too then you are insane...and are asking for it to get broken the first time you drop it on accident. For the amount of money that one of these things cost I would have much rather have it be a slightly bit more bulky then to wrap it in an expensive case......that makes it more bulky. They should make them more durable.
But...
Behndy is right that there should be a 64 gig version and that's it. It costs so little for the actual hardware that it the 64gigs of flash memory compared to price and size of a 16 gig card. I and my wife both have an iPad 2.....hers is the 16gig mine is the 32 gig.....you know what they look exactly the same. But mine cost a hundred more than hers. That's a hundred dollars worth of 16 more gigs on a card that probably costs about ten bucks more from the supplier.

Ahh, finally we are digging into mechanics, my field of expertise!! :) (Steve now you can finally relax a bit as usually we bug you with questions regarding electronics).

Yes Adan, iPads are easy to break, but so does all the iPad copies out there. Lets see what the iPad is all about:
Construction: Aluminum alloy which is in addition anodized or painted. My guess regarding the alloy is that Apple use a 6000 or 7000 series which typically gives us yield strength of approx 200-270MPa and ultimate strength of usually above 300MPa (see Al 6061 T6 or Al 7005). The case is most likely forged which gives excellent physical properties and good surface/ finish quality. Young modulus is usually E=70GPa.
Density for most alloys is usually 2700-2800 kg/m^3.
So, the iPad with its glass is a construction with rather high stiffness (the case thickness is about 1mm thick maybe a tad more) due to this monocoque form. The case itself has high strength. The problem of the iPad is not strength or stiffness. Due to the fact that the iPads mass is quite high and the fact that the outer case is very hard, its weaknesses are shock absorption and impact strength.
Using the Apple smart case is a simple way of protecting the iPad sufficiently in MOST situations.

Buckling of the case due to a large force/ bending moment is not a real problem as I see it. Apple didn't design the iPad for this kind of "abuse". One can always buy the correct type of case in order to protect the iPad in a certain environment.

The iPad copies (I've not really studied them) used to be made out of polymer/ plastic case, but now many switch to Aluminium in order to come closer to the Apple design.
The typical plastic (PA, PC etc) has yield strength which is about 40MPa and ultimate strength about 60-80MPa is no fibers is added to the blend. Addition of GF or CF can boost the strength of the plastic up to above 200MPa! But the Young module remains rather low. The result will be a construction which will be far less stiff but somewhat more resilient to impacts.

Tooling for manufacturing a construction made out of Aluminium is much higher then a construction made out of plastic.

So, my view on the iPad is that the basic version is not overpriced.
regarding the memory/ price issue, well, the price of doubling the memory is about the same for each upgrade. I'm not sure if the memory in various memory cards is the same quality/ speed as in the memory used in the iPad. My guess is that the memory in the iPad is faster. Steve might have a better knowledge here.
 
Check out Drumgenius and Drum Loops HD

So lemme ask a favor of the folks who've been in this thread since the start...

I currently use my iPad mostly for worship music, along with an airturn, to basically not have to mess around with paper, hand turning pages (or a lot of doctoring to compress to 2-3 sheets) and music stand lights anymore. Planning Center Online type stuff. That of course and the usual other non-music related stuff, and have spent just a little time with ikmultimedia stuff.

Here's what I'm after...

I'm looking for something simple/quick and fun to jam with. I'm not looking to author anything. So for example, maybe a drum app, but one that already has a lot of great loops that come with it. Maybe even better, a "jam" app, where I can define a chord structure and style, and just press "go".

I think the Real Book app has some of this, but I was wondering if there was something else out there as a generic jam/practice tool (as opposed to an authoring/performance tool) that's really cool.

Lil' help?
 
Yeah, the long beard is a give-away, but that doesn't stop people from thinking I'm a chick when they see me from behind!!

I can't even count the number of times I've gotten whistles and catcalls!! Lol. It's always fun when I turn around and they have to come to grips with their sexuality!!
 
Yes, Adam, I've actually seen the nice photo of you and your family!
Just tried to tease you a bit! ;) :D

Actually first time I've seen you in this pictures:
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I've wandered if you where actually Morten Harket, the vocalist of the biggest act ever from Norway: a-ha:
Morten_Harket_by_Vovin84.jpg

and
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Maybe the mask was just a way of getting out of the way of fans nagging for autographs. :)