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iOS, iPhone, iPad and music 101

#781
behndy said:
thanks Adam!

hurm. REALLY want a master tempo lock app. that would be GOOD.

iiiii haven't tried GarageBand. because i never liked the desktop version and for piano sounds i like to blend them into synths,
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What do you mean blend them into synths? Cause there is allot more variety for virtual instruments especially the piano/organ/synth area in the iOS version.

to me the iOS version is more user friendly than the desktop version in terms of virtual instruments.

Also in the iOS version they upgraded the usual virtual instruments with orchestra stringed instruments....it is great. You can pick and choose any of the stringed instruments up to all playing at once. And it's touch sensitive... As you rub the screen slowly or fast or soft or hard it sounds like the way the bow is on the strings.... everybody should try that. it's really cool how they did those.
 
#782
i will probably check it out. the limitations compared to a full featured DAW are what turned me off of the of GB.

by blending i mean if i'm using a synth like AniMoog, playing a patch then using the fader on the QX keyboard to slowly bring up the volume of the piano patch adds huge differences tonally, with very little work. 's GOOD.
 
#783
behndy said:
i will probably check it out. the limitations compared to a full featured DAW are what turned me off of the of GB.

by blending i mean if i'm using a synth like AniMoog, playing a patch then using the fader on the QX keyboard to slowly bring up the volume of the piano patch adds huge differences tonally, with very little work. 's GOOD.
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There actually no complete DAW out there for iOS. Auria is the best on the paper, but many hate it and claim that it is not stable at all. Beatmaker 2 is quite complete as a DAW, not as Auria but more then the rest. In addition Beatmaker 2 have only 44.1/16, same goes for Music Studio and. GarageBand.
Music Studio and GarageBand have lots of features, but limited on automation and number of tracks.
MT DAW is a very good multitrack recorder, but limited automation. It does however support 96/24. The greater then 44.1/16 quality is actually not really a usable bonus, as Audiobus only support 16 bits.
Other stuff such Nanostudio does not support Audiobus. As I see it, if you have GarageBand on your iPad and GarageBand on your Mac you are good to go as GarageBand desktop version have good automation and can be used for final mixing.
Actually I'll go that far and claim that GarageBand iOS is the best app out there regarding quality, features and price. Out of the recorders and DAWs out there I think GarageBand, MTDAW and Beatmaker 2 are the the best out there.
 
#784
With iOS it becomes more about what app does each specific job the best, especially with Audiobus. Unfortunately, it seems for any hardcore mixing, you would need a computer.

But for getting stuff down quick, iOS can't be beat. I just wish there was an interface that would allow separate tracks in, like at least 8 at once. I want to record my band, but doing one track at a time, it's a juggling act with iOS.

However, for DI effects and amp sims, Jamup sounds better than ANYTHING I've tried to date. I'm still using the same setup since my current band started.

I run my bass into the Apogee Jam, through Jamup for amp and effects, then to a DI box to split to PA and my amp for monitoring. It's the best live bass sound I've ever gotten, and my guitarist uses a Marshall with some really great DI options as well. Our FOH sound is amazing. Can't wait to play live with it.
 
#785
Rip Topaz said:
With iOS it becomes more about what app does each specific job the best, especially with Audiobus. Unfortunately, it seems for any hardcore mixing, you would need a computer.

But for getting stuff down quick, iOS can't be beat. I just wish there was an interface that would allow separate tracks in, like at least 8 at once. I want to record my band, but doing one track at a time, it's a juggling act with iOS.

However, for DI effects and amp sims, Jamup sounds better than ANYTHING I've tried to date. I'm still using the same setup since my current band started.

I run my bass into the Apogee Jam, through Jamup for amp and effects, then to a DI box to split to PA and my amp for monitoring. It's the best live bass sound I've ever gotten, and my guitarist uses a Marshall with some really great DI options as well. Our FOH sound is amazing. Can't wait to play live with it.
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+1
Jamup is king still to me..... Can't wait to play tonight.
 
#788
sooooo.... lol. not to be a ****, but i have zero interest in replacing my amp with the 'pad. just for me, that seems silly. not talking the poo about anybody that's doing that.

but i love preamp, i love how it sounds through my speakers. i'm good.

i'm using the 'pad more as a vst hosting specific tablet. 's been good so far. digging it. dunno how much recording i'd do into it, but i'll look at GB and AudioBus for quick sketching ideas.

how do y'all transfer midi patterns or audio chunks over to the 'pad to loop with?
 
#789
Actually, jamups 8 track is decent for just laying down some basic stuff. I did some basic drum beat in Dm1, then layered some bass harmonies in a few minutes just to try it. It was fun. If I wanted to do drums in stereo I might have to step outside the box a little, but for quick demos to send to band mates its great.
 
#790
Behndy, most of us here on this thread do not own a decent full size amp/ can not use an amp live or just find the amp sim apps a very convenient deal for recording or home jamming.
I for instance do not own a full size amp of my dreams (let's say an Ampeg SVT/ Orange AD200). I used my Sansamps with my previous band as we had good PA. I use to put my bass into one or two 15" JBL monitors, sounded great! But today apps like Jamup, Amplitube and Ampkit became so much better and I I own two digital interfaces the Apogee Jam and the iTrack Solo. I can easier nail the tone I'm after with my iPad then my Sansamps. Actually I'm not sure which traditional analog amp could compete with Jamup regarding tone possibilities. The only amps which have lots of different tone in then are.... digital such as the TC amps.
 
#791
behndy said:
sooooo.... lol. not to be a ****, but i have zero interest in replacing my amp with the 'pad. just for me, that seems silly. not talking the poo about anybody that's doing that.

but i love preamp, i love how it sounds through my speakers. i'm good.

i'm using the 'pad more as a vst hosting specific tablet. 's been good so far. digging it. dunno how much recording i'd do into it, but i'll look at GB and AudioBus for quick sketching ideas.

how do y'all transfer midi patterns or audio chunks over to the 'pad to loop with?
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Audioshare might be the right tool for that.
 
#792
lokikallas said:
Actually, jamups 8 track is decent for just laying down some basic stuff. I did some basic drum beat in Dm1, then layered some bass harmonies in a few minutes just to try it. It was fun. If I wanted to do drums in stereo I might have to step outside the box a little, but for quick demos to send to band mates its great.
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It is great for that.
As I sees it an internal recorder should have the possibility for reamping. I hope PG will implement that. I had an idea about work flow which could be very useful. Lets say you could record a clip at the same time both in Jamup and on MT DAW via Audiobus. You could always later reamp the bass track in Jamup and replace the one in MT DAW if needed.

But anyway, it is very positive that PG added the 8 track recorder into the app, will be very useful for many users which do not necessary use Audiobus for some reason (old devices etc.)
 
#793
Duke21 said:
Behndy, most of us here on this thread do not own a decent full size amp/ can not use an amp live or just find the amp sim apps a very convenient deal for recording or home jamming.
I for instance do not own a full size amp of my dreams (let's say an Ampeg SVT/ Orange AD200). I used my Sansamps with my previous band as we had good PA. I use to put my bass into one or two 15" JBL monitors, sounded great! But today apps like Jamup, Amplitube and Ampkit became so much better and I I own two digital interfaces the Apogee Jam and the iTrack Solo. I can easier nail the tone I'm after with my iPad then my Sansamps. Actually I'm not sure which traditional analog amp could compete with Jamup regarding tone possibilities. The only amps which have lots of different tone in then are.... digital such as the TC amps.
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for sure. like i said, not talking poo about it, and it's pretty interesting if there's a tablet version of a preamp that sounds good. just not for me. i'm not in a situation where i'm playing FOH only a lot. we play smaller places and having my rig is more useful and actually expected.

just saying that stuff like Jamup et all don't really interest me. i'm happy with my setup for bass stuff. i'm more into the synth possibilities.

i'll take a look at Audioshare. thanks!
 
#794
yeah i have a fender bassman and 4x10 that i would use at a small gig that didnt have FOH. but where i play all the time have a no amps on stage policy to better control the FOH mix and Control feedback and such.... so, Instead of the stale DI approach Amplitube on my phone was my first solution to this problem.... then AT on my IPAD..... Then Jamup on my IPAD...... Killer tones through FOH now and I have controll over my tone first then the sound guy pretty much handles the room instead of trying to deal with me and what he thinks i want to sound like.
 
#795
that's what i've always wondered about FOH gigs. a lot of what sounds good on bass can be translated fine through a DI, but you get some really ugly, hateful sounds if you run fuzz DI. other dirt sounds better mic'd too. i get the stage volume thing, largest venues i've played we weren't douches about and trying to blare my rig and the drummer, just enough to work as monitors.

but if you run a setup that sounds way better mic'd than DI'd it seems like you're giving up a fair bit to go all FOH.

but maybe you don't play with a lot of effects. i do. perhaps that's not a concern as much for you.
 
#796
behndy said:
that's what i've always wondered about FOH gigs. a lot of what sounds good on bass can be translated fine through a DI, but you get some really ugly, hateful sounds if you run fuzz DI. other dirt sounds better mic'd too. i get the stage volume thing, largest venues i've played we weren't douches about and trying to blare my rig and the drummer, just enough to work as monitors.

but if you run a setup that sounds way better mic'd than DI'd it seems like you're giving up a fair bit to go all FOH.

but maybe you don't play with a lot of effects. i do. perhaps that's not a concern as much for you.
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You can go through all of your fx, then into the iPad, and use jam up as an amp sim, just like if you were using a DI. Jam up has a bit nicer amp sim than many DIs do to me. Most DIs tend to be transparent. It's not much different. The only thing you take out of the equation is the cab itself, and if you have decent monitor setup, that is not an issue. If your playing in basement clubs then you might not relate to the worship band guys situation. I personally only use the iPad as an at home practice and recording scratch pad, but I find it very useful for this.
 
#797
yeah. i think it's just different types of gigs. lol. i don't really play "basement" clubs, but they're usually mid to smaller sized rock venues. and i am in a two piece, so i'm not really trying to juggle my sound with a guitarist and horns and all.

buuuuuut........ i've done shows where i ran a traditional preamp's DI to FOH. and hated the way fuzz and really dirty modulated stuff sounded compared to mic'd. fuzz gets more brittle. not pleasant.

glad this works for peoples. seems a very elegant solution. i don't really enjoy the Ampeg sound so aiming for that would make me less happy with my sound. but who cares? different strokes (giggety) and all.

some of the weirder signal processing available if you run the bass signal through a 'pad interest me WAY more than recreating an Ampeg rig.
 
#798
behndy said:
yeah. i think it's just different types of gigs. lol. i don't really play "basement" clubs, but they're usually mid to smaller sized rock venues. and i am in a two piece, so i'm not really trying to juggle my sound with a guitarist and horns and all.

buuuuuut........ i've done shows where i ran a traditional preamp's DI to FOH. and hated the way fuzz and really dirty modulated stuff sounded compared to mic'd. fuzz gets more brittle. not pleasant.

glad this works for peoples. seems a very elegant solution. i don't really enjoy the Ampeg sound so aiming for that would make me less happy with my sound. but who cares? different strokes (giggety) and all.

some of the weirder signal processing available if you run the bass signal through a 'pad interest me WAY more than recreating an Ampeg rig.
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But there are many non Ampegs possibilities in iOS.
 

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