That comes across as being borderline unusable, which doesn't make sense given that Taylor has stated one of the design goals with the DubT was to improve tracking compared with the SubT. Have you reached out to him for advice?
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Iron Ether Appreciation Society
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That comes across as being borderline unusable, which doesn't make sense given that Taylor has stated one of the design goals with the DubT was to improve tracking compared with the SubT. Have you reached out to him for advice?
Had a dream I was unboxing my DubT - so that must mean they're close, right?
As requested, here is a clip of the DubT with my P Bass. It's a Fender American Standard Precision 5 with worn in Labella flats.
I have a feeling a lot of people are going "uh oh" right about now. The old Sub T sounds so much better. At least from watching these two videos.
Thanks dalo for the additional video. Janek got better results and it seems the best results are when paired with the XD.
I’m not gonna lie, the first video made me cringe a little bit. The SubT sounded great. I hope the DubT tracking was an anomaly. The second video sounds much better but the DubT still had a few issues with tracking. Does a hot signal really effect the DubT’s tracking ability? I’m curious what Taylor has to say.
I agree, but we won’t know for sure until we get our hands on it. Octaves are so personal and rely on a certain technique. I’m reserving judgement until D-Day. Very curious about the hot signal/active issue though, as I’m currently negotiating my first active bass.
I don't mean to give a negative impression of the pedal. I love IE stuff and octave/synth pedals, so my expectations were pretty high.
Between frets 5 and 12, the DubT tracks pretty well. But when I use octavers, I tend to play above the 12th fret. The DubT doesn't track the way I expect, but that is not necessarily bad.
My first ever octave pedal way back was digital and when I got an OC-2 for the first time, it was an adjustment. More recently, it was an adjustment to get used to the tracking of the SA C4 but now I love it. So maybe it's me and I just need to adjust to the DubT more?
Anyways, I am looking forward to hearing other people's experiences as more of them get shipped out.
Between frets 5 and 12, the DubT tracks pretty well. But when I use octavers, I tend to play above the 12th fret. The DubT doesn't track the way I expect, but that is not necessarily bad.
My first ever octave pedal way back was digital and when I got an OC-2 for the first time, it was an adjustment. More recently, it was an adjustment to get used to the tracking of the SA C4 but now I love it. So maybe it's me and I just need to adjust to the DubT more?
Anyways, I am looking forward to hearing other people's experiences as more of them get shipped out.
Taylor Livingston
Commercial User
Tracking pedals are always going to work better for certain signals (instruments, playing techniques, etc.) than others, and it's true that this one will require a different approach to getting the best results than the Subterranea. But if anybody is feeling like they want to cancel their pre-order, just send me an email and I can take care of it right away. And if you get the pedal and find it isn't what you were looking for, you can return it.
Janek's video is with an active bass and the DubT seems to track well with it. I own an FMeron and it tracks well with my basses so I'm hoping the DubT will behave the same.
To my ears the pitch tracking is much faster, which means it's a bit picky-r. The transition from the SubT to the Enzo was similar.
I'm not surprised that a MM produced that sound in the original video. Using an MM, try maxing the bass knob and volume, min the treble and play with the pads of your finger. On the P, make sure the volume is full and tone rolled off. Again play by rolling off of the string, making sure there is zero fret or fingernail noise on the string. Remember, ANY extra noise will be tracked, that means loud harmonics, ghost sounds and finger slides.
I'm not surprised that a MM produced that sound in the original video. Using an MM, try maxing the bass knob and volume, min the treble and play with the pads of your finger. On the P, make sure the volume is full and tone rolled off. Again play by rolling off of the string, making sure there is zero fret or fingernail noise on the string. Remember, ANY extra noise will be tracked, that means loud harmonics, ghost sounds and finger slides.
Yes, definitely. And some pedals are different from others in how they filter them out. When I was running a SubT, I originally had tracking issues using a 4 string 3band MM. I modded the pre and used Sadowsky black label flats and had awesome results, and a really great bass tone to boot! There's a post I wrote about is somewhere here... Edit: Analog Sub Octaver tracking & EBMM Stingray
All that said, you can make a bright and zingy bass tone work, it's just tricky to make sure the fundamental is present.
It would be interesting to hear if boosting the low frequencies into the DubT helps.
BurningSkies
CRAZY BALDHEAD
- Feb 20, 2005
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I have a OC-2, a T-16 and a C4. So, if I want something that sounds like another something or acts like another something, I guess that would be one thing.
But I'm more interested to see how and what kind of trouble this is all on it's own (or in tandem with other pedals). I'm never sure that crappy online videos really show what something sounds like effectively anyway.
Taylor Livingston
Commercial User
Hmm, I'm not positive if I know what you mean about trouble, but, the pitch tracking algorithm in the Dubterranea is the same as in the FMeron, which most people have had good results with. The synthesis side is a lot more "correct" than the Subterranea - Dubterranea generates real saws and triangles, whereas the Subterranea uses audio-rate switches and simple filtering to create something similar to a sawtooth, but only gets close to a proper saw in a small frequency range.
BurningSkies
CRAZY BALDHEAD
- Feb 20, 2005
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- 20,350
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- Endorsing artist: Dingwall Guitars
...Trouble in a good sense. In terms of what different sounds I can make...particularly different from previously produced things.
