Irreversible climate damage is imminent

[will33]

Only without the elitism I assume?

Exactly. One Love and all that.

 

[will33]

Pish posh! It's palindromic! How much more elitist can you get?

You would have to be a freemason of greater than 33rd level pedigree to truly understand, to everyone else it's just a name.

 

[slobake]

You would have to be a freemason of greater than 33rd level pedigree to truly understand, to everyone else it's just a name.

That leaves me out I'm just a mutt.

 

[NWB]

And yet here we are....

One could also "debate" the validity of Newtonian physics in the face of a preponderance of facts.

If you disregard reason, then you can "debate" the validity of pretty much everything. Or anything.

 

[DerHoggz]

And yet here we are....

One could also "debate" the validity of Newtonian physics in the face of a preponderance of facts.

If you disregard reason, then you can "debate" the validity of pretty much everything. Or anything.

Yep, and it is endlessly frustrating. We intellectual elites have it so hard with the burden of being right all the time.

 

[Unrepresented]

Yep, and it is endlessly frustrating. We intellectual elites have it so hard with the burden of being right all the time.

My pretentious, "talking down to other people voice" can be exhausting on my larynx.

 

[will33]

That leaves me out I'm just a mutt.

Us all-seeing, all-knowing types, by definition, can not be all-inclusive....sorry.

 

[slobake]

And yet here we are....

One could also "debate" the validity of Newtonian physics in the face of a preponderance of facts.

If you disregard reason, then you can "debate" the validity of pretty much everything. Or anything.

We could start throwing apples at each other.

What is going on around here? For a while everything seemed somewhat calm and we were having some good discussions as long as I kept quiet. Now it seems like everywhere I turn there is contention and playground tactics.

 

[Unrepresented]

We could start throwing apples at each other.

What is going on around here? For a while everything seemed somewhat calm and we were having some good discussions as long as I kept quiet. Now it seems like everywhere I turn there is contention and playground tactics.

 

[duff beer]

One of the biggest lies by the climate change fear mongers is that any warming at all is bad. There is no such thing as "good" warming.

Longer growing seasons and increased food production in cold climates is overlooked.
Less heating fuel needed in cold climates is overlooked.
Increased crop varieties in former cold climates is overlooked.

Also, any climate changes will always be worse:

Drought prone areas will see more drought, not less.
Flood prone areas will see more flooding, not less.

 

[DerHoggz]

One of the biggest lies by the climate change fear mongers is that any warming at all is bad. There is no such thing as "good" warming.

Longer growing seasons and increased food production in cold climates is overlooked.
Less heating fuel needed in cold climates is overlooked.
Increased crop varieties in former cold climates is overlooked.

Also, any climate changes will always be worse:

Drought prone areas will see more drought, not less.
Flood prone areas will see more flooding, not less.

Hurricanes aren't that bad, it is very serene in the eye.

 

[duff beer]

MIT climate scientist Richard Lindzen:

"The IPCC has truly sunk to a level of hilarious incoherence. They are proclaiming increased confidence in their models as the discrepancies between their models and observations increase."

 

[duff beer]

Hurricanes aren't that bad, it is very serene in the eye.

The National Hurricane Center (NHC) provides information on major U.S. hurricanes during the past 100-plus years.According to the NHC, 70 major hurricanes struck the United States in the 100 years between 1911 and 2010. That is an average of 7 major hurricane strikes per decade. What are the trends within this 100-year span? Let’s take a look.

Let’s split the 100-year hurricane record in half, starting with major hurricane strikes during the most recent 50 years.

During the most recent decade, 2001-2010, 7 major hurricanes struck the United States. That is exactly the 100-year average.

During the preceding decade, 1991-2000, 6 major hurricanes struck the United States. That is below the 100-year average.

During the decade 1981-1990, 4 major hurricanes struck the United States. That is substantially below the 100-year average, and ties the least number of major hurricanes on record.

During the decade 1971-1980, 4 major hurricanes struck the United States. That is substantially below the 100-year average, and ties 1981-1990 as the two decades with the least number of major hurricanes.

During the decade 1961-1970, 7 major hurricanes struck the United States. That is exactly the 100-year average.

Incredibly, not a single decade during the past 50 years saw an above-average number of major hurricanes – not a single decade!

 

[Unrepresented]

One of the biggest lies by the climate change fear mongers is that any warming at all is bad.

One of the easier ways to tell whether someone has anything valid to offer in a discussion is if they start off a post with a statement like this.

MIT climate scientist Richard Lindzen:

"The IPCC has truly sunk to a level of hilarious incoherence. They are proclaiming increased confidence in their models as the discrepancies between their models and observations increase."

What did all the overwhelming majority of scientists who agreed with the views of the study say?

 

[Unrepresented]

And comments like that are made by those who don't have a valid rebuttal.

Conveniently, international consortiums of scientists far better educated and trained on the issues than you or I already have.

 

[Immigrant]

Isn't money to be made in alternative energy if you take away the subsidies. There is however enormous amouts of regulatory control over the populace to be gained as well as billions to be made trading "carbon credits".

As with anything.....follow the money.

I really need to figure out which smiley would best label sarcasm. In other words, the part of my post you responded to was sarcastic.

As far as alternative energy sources go and the effect that current sources have on the climate, even if it was proven that what we (humans) have been doing to power our world aren't in any way affecting climate change, is moving towards cleaner and renewable sources such a bad thing? It seems to be the arguments against those things I hear the most are that they are inconvenient. Examples:

"I hate the time it takes for CFLs to get bright."
"Electric cars are wimpy."
"Who wants to drive a boxey tin can?" (I actually heard that on a radio show)

I would think that if every roof was covered with solar panels it would make a huge dent in the amount of electricity that needs to be produced in conventional ways. I dunno. I'm far from being the brightest CFL in the sign.

 

[duff beer]

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[duff beer]

As far as alternative energy sources go and the effect that current sources have on the climate, even if it was proven that what we (humans) have been doing to power our world aren't in any way affecting climate change, is moving towards cleaner and renewable sources such a bad thing?

The vast majority of people have no problem with alternative energy or a clean planet. What they have a problem with is the massive taxpayer funding for the many "green" initiatives that do little or no good and are nowhere near as green as is claimed.

 

[slobake]

 

[Bloodhammer]

The vast majority of people have no problem with alternative energy or a clean planet. What they have a problem with is the massive taxpayer funding for the many "green" initiatives that do little or no good and are nowhere near as green as is claimed.

LOL

Oil companies never get government subsidies and we all know how truly greener petroleum is.

Hahahahahahaha