Irreversible climate damage is imminent

[DerHoggz]

Rest assured. We will extinct ourselves.. We are too self centered, arrogant, and convinced of our own infallibility. American society, in particular, has an ability to play the short sale for instant gain, while dismissing the longview. The insatiable greed of the economic ruling class, combined with the willingness to be spoonfed false truths among the mid and lower class, has castrated our ability to act in any other course of action beyond that of immediate self preservation. The evidence that humans have greatly accelerated and intensified the earth's somewhat haphazard natural cycles to a point where we will literally threaten our own existence is virtually irrefutable. Yet, we are so quick to take stock in a Koch founded falsity, rather than acknowledge our inherent resistance to admit we are capable of drastically altering our environment. And why? Because it makes a better sound byte, and the shareholders see a .1% increased rate of return, which matches the projection. And now, I'd better put down the wine bottle

Whoah meng. Deep.

 

[DerHoggz]

Whoah meng. Deep.

Why are there two es in deep¿

 

[Eric Perry]

Rest assured. We will extinct ourselves.. We are too self centered, arrogant, and convinced of our own infallibility. American society, in particular, has an ability to play the short sale for instant gain, while dismissing the longview. The insatiable greed of the economic ruling class, combined with the willingness to be spoonfed false truths among the mid and lower class, has castrated our ability to act in any other course of action beyond that of immediate self preservation. The evidence that humans have greatly accelerated and intensified the earth's somewhat haphazard natural cycles to a point where we will literally threaten our own existence is virtually irrefutable. Yet, we are so quick to take stock in a Koch founded falsity, rather than acknowledge our inherent resistance to admit we are capable of drastically altering our environment. And why? Because it makes a better sound byte, and the shareholders see a .1% increased rate of return, which matches the projection. And now, I'd better put down the wine bottle

This is so true!!!

 

[Munjibunga]

and you just proved his first sentence to be correct.

Uhhhh ... I did?

 

[Munjibunga]

The majority of the problems are caused by media outlets "interpreting" scientific results and publications. Most of the scientists I know cringe when there is talk about scientific findings in the media.

Count me in that group. I go nuts every time I hear reporters refer to earthquakes as "temblors." Yes, that is correct usage of the term, but of the hundred or so geologists I know, I've never heard one utter the word "temblor." The reporters also refer the magnitude "on the Richter scale." The Richter scale isn't used much at all any more - seismologists report magnitudes as the moment magnitude (Mw​) except for the very early computer-generated magnitudes that have not been reviewed by a seismologist.

The other night some TV station had the meteorologist (weather girl) talking about the recent earthquakes in OC/LA, and I had to excuse myself to go throw up. She was completely clueless.

 

[Schlyder]

The Atmosphere

 

[BawanaRik]

Rest assured. We will extinct ourselves.. We are too self centered, arrogant, and convinced of our own infallibility. American society, in particular, has an ability to play the short sale for instant gain, while dismissing the longview. The insatiable greed of the economic ruling class, combined with the willingness to be spoonfed false truths among the mid and lower class, has castrated our ability to act in any other course of action beyond that of immediate self preservation. The evidence that humans have greatly accelerated and intensified the earth's somewhat haphazard natural cycles to a point where we will literally threaten our own existence is virtually irrefutable. Yet, we are so quick to take stock in a Koch founded falsity, rather than acknowledge our inherent resistance to admit we are capable of drastically altering our environment. And why? Because it makes a better sound byte, and the shareholders see a .1% increased rate of return, which matches the projection. And now, I'd better put down the wine bottle

The human race and accomplished great things before. We might just pull this out of the hat.

May I suggest that each of here on TBOT rather than focus on what others can do to address this issue look at what the first person can accomplish or sacrifice for the longview.

I enjoy driving and cheap gas makes that an easy fun thrill.

Raising the gas tax to a couple of dollars a gallon would force me to cut back on my driving. I think this is a simple fair change that would have a great impact.

Ten dollar a gallon gas might seem expensive but I think it would reduce US consumption of fossil fuels. It would hit me hard since I rely on what few sheckels I have saved over the years but for the good of humanity and the planet I would make this sacrifice.

Who's next?

 

[will33]

Why are there two es in deep¿

Your Mom.

When her beeper goes off people think she's backin' up.'

 

[will33]

The human race and accomplished great things before. We might just pull this out of the hat.

May I suggest that each of here on TBOT rather than focus on what others can do to address this issue look at what the first person can accomplish or sacrifice for the longview.

I enjoy driving and cheap gas makes that an easy fun thrill.

Raising the gas tax to a gallon a gallon would force me to cut back on my driving. I think this is a simple fair change that would have a great impact.

Ten dollar a gallon gas might seem expensive but I think it would reduce US consumption of fossil fuels. It would hit me hard since I rely on what few sheckels I have saved over the years but for the good of humanity and the planet I would make this sacrifice.

Who's next?

So the difference between what the gas really costs to produce, and the artificially high price we would be paying for it....who gets that?

It's like $3.25 here now, which already high. You're saying "make it $10.00". My question is, "who gets the $6.75?".

 

[fmoore200]

So the difference between what the gas really costs to produce, and the artificially high price we would be paying for it....who gets that?

It's like $3.25 here now, which already high. You're saying "make it $10.00". My question is, "who gets the $6.75?".

Your mom

 

[Schlyder]

The human race and accomplished great things before. We might just pull this out of the hat.

May I suggest that each of here on TBOT rather than focus on what others can do to address this issue look at what the first person can accomplish or sacrifice for the longview.

I enjoy driving and cheap gas makes that an easy fun thrill.

Raising the gas tax to a gallon a gallon would force me to cut back on my driving. I think this is a simple fair change that would have a great impact.

Ten dollar a gallon gas might seem expensive but I think it would reduce US consumption of fossil fuels. It would hit me hard since I rely on what few sheckels I have saved over the years but for the good of humanity and the planet I would make this sacrifice.

Who's next?

Now that you have tripled the cost of fuel, the cost of transporting goods has caused a huge increases in food prices, home heating, and other important goods. Well done.

 

[will33]

Your mom

 

[Munjibunga]

The human race and accomplished great things before. We might just pull this out of the hat.

I doubt it. I think we're already over the hump. I'm not saying either way whether it's due to human activity, but human activity certainly is not causing global cooling - most of what we do produces heat and greenhouse gases. However, as I've said before, if the primary force behind the ostensible warming is part of the natural cycle of glacial/interglacial climate change, there ain't a danged thing we can do about it except move inland. Also go, right now, to Home Depot and buy a fan before they run out.

 

[BawanaRik]

So the difference between what the gas really costs to produce, and the artificially high price we would be paying for it....who gets that?

It's like $3.25 here now, which already high. You're saying "make it $10.00". My question is, "who gets the $6.75?".

It's a tax. Question the other taxes you pay before questioning this one.

$3.25 high? Where's our friend from Norway when I need his insight.

Personally I think it's pretty darn cheap.

 

[BawanaRik]

Now that you have tripled the cost of fuel, the cost of transporting goods has caused a huge increases in food prices, home heating, and other important goods. Well done.

Thanks. I knew someone would see it my way.

 

[BawanaRik]

I doubt it. I think we're already over the hump. I'm not saying either way whether it's due to human activity, but human activity certainly is not causing global cooling - most of what we do produces heat and greenhouse gases. However, as I've said before, if the primary force behind the ostensible warming is part of the natural cycle of glacial/interglacial climate change, there ain't a danged thing we can do about it except move inland. Also go, right now, to Home Depot and buy a fan before they run out.

I live on a mountain top. Not much of a mountain. But in my opinion more than a hill. Plus I'm old. By the time water hits my doorstep I'll be long gone.

I am capable of thinking about future generations. I think if we as a nation were to have the vision and leadership to live like our parents did. A somewhat more modest life style. We could use much less of the limited resources the planet has to offer.

With the technology available today 200 mpg cars are doable. Planned communities without automobiles are coming into existence. Hopefully more modest living quarters will save heating fuel.

The US and it citizens live large. We could be fine by slightly turning back the dial from MegaLarge to LargeLight.

Cleaning up our inner cities making them suitable for the more civilized types would cost little abut provide dividends when rt 80 is quiet during rushour. People walking home from work,

I think you'll find this thought process in place by various forward thinking types.

I've grown fond of earth as a home. We need to
focus on keeping earth a viable home for humans,. And Maybe sydney,

 

[BawanaRik]

Why are there two es in deep¿

It was decided long ago in a galaxy what were you doing in that deep galaxy?

 

[Munjibunga]

I think if we as a nation were to have the vision and leadership to live like our parents did.

WAKE UP! WAKE UP, BR! You're having a dream ...

 

[Dave Grossman]

Evolution of a climate change denialist argument:

Global Warming is a hoax
Global Warming is happening but it's not our fault.
Global Warming is happening and it's our fault, but it's actually not that bad.
Global Warming is happening and it's our fault, and it's bad but there's nothing we can do about it.
Global Warming is happening and it's our fault, and it's bad but it will be too expensive to do anything about it.

 

[Schilling]

Came here, in a Bass Forum, expecting jokes about the impending twisting of all your basses necks due to lasting climate changes. Was disappointed.


That said, i'm nearly done studying engineering. I've tried talking to people about their habits in casual pollution, and found everyone knew they're doing something bad by driving that oversized car etc, but will still continue.
There's a few borderline cases saying that eco-stuff has the worst designs ever, to which i agree. They're marketing to cheap-ass eco-hipsters wearing self-knit natural-wool-only clothing, when they should really be targeting the main market.

But that's a minority of people i talked to. Each single person will simply say that they're just 1 person and what would it change if THEY changed.
I am ready to give up on the cause and just enjoy whatever there is to enjoy for me myself. The only way i see to make people not just conscious of the environment but act on it too, would be a green wing dictatorship/tyranny abolishing use of fossil fuels worldwide etc.