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Is Sheryl Crow really a bassist?

Tom Sholz/Boston.

Just an example that "a head full of engineering facts" isn't necessarily mutually exclusive to being able to play, in our world. :roflmao:

He's a MIT grad, a laboratory grade genius, and he invented practical technology used in households that has nothing to do with music, as well as stuff that did that was on every Top 10 record for several years. All on top of some great music that he created. Not an average guy by any means, and an exception to prove the rule if there ever was one.

The point that stands is that most posters on this board are overly concerned with specs and measurements, lying about endorsements they don't have, and not music.
 
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He's a MIT grad, a laboratory grade genius, and he invented practical technology used in households that has nothing to do with music, as well as stuff that did that was on every Top 10 record for several years. All on top of some great music that he created. Not an average guy by any means, and an exception to prove the rule if there ever was one.

The point that stands is that most posters on this board are overly concerned with specs and measurements, and lying about endorsements they don't have, not music.

I could list a few dozen others, starting with Herbie Hancock, Stanley Jordan, and Raymond Scott. Your post decrying Talkbass' bias against women bassists exposes your own. ;)
 
I could list a few dozen others, starting with Herbie Hancock, Stanley Jordan, and Raymond Scott. Your post decrying Talkbass' bias against women bassists exposes your own. ;)

It's cute that you're throwing out names that you think I don't know or am not aware of. Also, your apparent acceptance of a bias against female players exposes your bias. Continue your passive-aggressive penis size contest with someone else if it doesn't take time away from buying your 432nd bass or amp rig. Have a blessed day.
 
It's cute that you're throwing out names that you think I don't know or am not aware of. Also, your apparent acceptance of a bias against female players exposes your bias. Continue your passive-aggressive penis size contest with someone else if it doesn't take time away from buying your 432nd bass or amp rig. Have a blessed day.

It's even more cute that you're invoking a nonexistent bias on my part. Have a nice, aware day. :thumbsup:
 
TB membership has always had a problem with female players that are more skilled and/or successful than they are. Realize a cold, hard fact : players like Tal, Rhonda Smith, Shar Petersen, Linda Oh, Missy Raines, and especially Tracy Wormworth and Me'Shell Ndegeocello can casually toss 98% of the posters on this forum under the wheels of any passing bus playing wise, with little or no effort. They're that good. It's because they spent years on stages, in clubs, in rehearsal halls, and in studios refining their craft instead of wasting time posting nonsense on message boards.

Sheryl Crow probably doesn't know or care if her strings have a round or hexagonal core or what gauge her speaker cable is, but she's up there playing bass on a stage, so she's a bass player, even if she doesn't have a head full of engineering facts. She just happens to have sung backup for Michael Jackson for more than one tour, plays more instruments than just bass, and writes well too. She's got most of us beat in that regard. But, even if she just played bass well in a band and wasn't a principal songwriter or leader, she's still a bass player. I don't know where you guys come up with this stuff.

I just thought I'd add that it seems the issue isn't only w/ female players. There's a lot of diss on many artists of all styles, of both sexes, bassists or otherwise. For example:
Recently a thread re: Pino Palladino had a string of John Mayer haters post. While I agree that it is an unalienable right to hate on John or Sheryl, or anyone for that matter-

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Rule #1 in the Music Biz: NEVER argue with success. You can't!
 
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being a bassist has noting to do with knowing all the brands that make bass related gear or being a fan of jaco and wooten.
i'm sure james jamerson never heard of fodera or epifani either or wooten, but he's still bassplayer, just like sheryl crow.
I don't want to pile on Sheryl (I am not a fan, but very much admire her multi-instrumental talents), but she is NOT a bass player "just like Jamerson" (just like goes BOTH ways, I've only reversed it for clarity of point).
The one is known as a very good pop musician, mostly because she is the front person, the other is a legend after playing anonymously on a thousand OTHER people's records and while I do think she out of the league musically from most of us on this site - she is quite good, HE is a LEGEND.
 
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I don't want to pile on Sheryl (I am not a fan, but very much admire her multi-instrumental talents), but she is NOT a bass player "just like Jamerson" (just like goes BOTH ways, I've only reversed it for clarity of point). The one is known as a very good pop musician, mostly because she is the front person, the other is a legend after playing anonymously on a thousand OTHER people's records and while I do think she out of the league musically from most of us on this site, he is a LEGEND of the instrument, she is quite good.

Well,. NOBODY compares to James Jamerson, that's for sure!
 
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(Putting on a flame retardant suit...)

As far as Santana goes, I believe that he's a phenomenal guitarist, but in thinking about it, I'm not sure he would qualify under my 'definition' of a musician.

If given an appropriate amount of time to become familiar with a style of music, would a player be able to transition seamlessly into that style, without necessarily drawing attention to themselves.

Use Carole Kaye as an example.

Can she play jazz? Pop? Country? Blues? Rock? The answer to all of these are yes, and she never did anything but play the required lines very well. I've never heard her play metal, but I'm confident because of her track record, that she could study it and find the appropriate lines, using her knowledge and technical abilities. And she never brought the spotlight onto herself.

Growing up, I've heard Vai play jazz, rock, metal and pop. I've seen him cop fingerpicked lines like a country guitarist. In his solo stuff, he's like Carlos, in that he sounds like himself. But I've never heard Carlos show that flexibility.

Mind you, I'm not up on all of his past recordings, whereas I listened to a ton of Vai, so I may be wrong.

But, in retrospect, everything that I've heard Santana play, sounds like Santana playing Santana.

A musician is a chameleon, able to make themselves disappear into the music. The first call studio guys are very adept at this.
Yeah, Carlos is one of my all time favourites - but honestly, he plays variations of "the Santana solo" over every song he enconters - ESPECIALLLY when playing with others - now, it is sort serving he music in that that's WHY people called him, but he is definitely not what you would call highly flexable.
 
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On the new collaboration w/ The Isleys, Carlos actually does some of IMO his tastiest work, relatively laid back.
However... It still has "Santana" written all over it, but we gotta give it up to him; he made his bones with that style years back, and its made him happy, wealthy, and married to a HOT drummer!:roflmao:
 
Who does it best---Sheryl or Aimee?
Just kidding. I'm an older bassist who grew up listening to the best bassists that prog and jazz had to offer,as well as a broad spectrum of pop music. I love hearing the way both of these ladies compose and play bass parts on their songs......(especially Aimee Mann,but i'm a bit more biased between those 2).
 
I don't want to pile on Sheryl (I am not a fan, but very much admire her multi-instrumental talents), but she is NOT a bass player "just like Jamerson" (just like goes BOTH ways, I've only reversed it for clarity of point). The one is known as a very good pop musician, mostly because she is the front person, the other is a legend after playing anonymously on a thousand OTHER people's records and while I do think she out of the league musically from most of us on this site, he is a LEGEND of the instrument, she is quite good.
Honestly, I'm trying to make sense out of that post, but I can't. I wasn't aware that Sheryl was trying to do anything except play the bass parts she wants to hear in her songs.

Anyway, ask anyone whether they'd rather be a legendary bassist or a legendary singer/songwriter.
 
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Just jumping in here, so this has probably been discussed to death already, but...

She does play. I don't think she's a 'bassist' in the true sense of the art! I don't believe she lives and breathes bass like we all do. Just my opinion. I don't think she played on the recording of "All I Wanna Do" though. I could be wrong.

Nothing personal, DW, but your post exemplifies the muso snobbishness that drives me crazy. She's not a real bassist, an "artist", in your eyes because she's too busy writing a string of huge hits and selling out arenas to really buckle down on transcribing "School Days" and talking about amps? Again, nothing personal, but give me a break. So many musicians cannot see the forest for the trees.

I think DW did a great job of answering the question, and I didn't see any snobbishness in his post. If anything, I see a lot of sensitivity in the response to his post. A chip on yer shoulder type thing. The OP asked if she's "really" a bassist, presumably asking if the bass calls to her the way it does to some of us. The alternative answer IMO would be, "She's obviously playing. Duh, she's a bassist."

After I finish my coffee I'll be able to say what I just did, better.

:)
 
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