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Is the Term "Colorblind" Silly?

Not that it should have ANYTHING to do with the OP, the video is up on Youtube. The way he said it almost sounded demeaning to me but I could be wrong.

AFAIC, claiming to be colorblind is rediculous. I certainly don't forget my black friends are black. We are different as night and day, no pun intended :) and our differences are often a topic of discussion and have been for years. No big deal.
 
I just dont give a crap about race to be honest and I think that in itself is offensive to some people.
I also firmly believe that no one race is more or less guilty of being racist in this day and age than others. To think otherwise is delusional. I've just experienced too many things in my life to dictate otherwise.
Maybe I'm "colorblind"? I dunno. Really don't care..
 
I once shared an office with an older African-American woman. I'm white. On several occasions we would be talking about someone. From time to time, she'd ask me for some kind of description of the person we were talking about. Several times I was unable to say whether a person was black or white. At first, she seemed skeptical that I was really not noticing something like that. Finally, she realized I was being genuine, although she did seem surprised that a person wouldn't even notice something like that.

The fact that Chris Matthews might have forgotten that Obama is black is not something of major importance. If he is trying to get people to applaud him for not being a racist, that is a lame way to do it. Not being a racist is a requirement to being a normal human being, not something we are supposed to get rewards for. In answer to the topic's question, though, the answer is, NO.

It is not a requirement. Not a requirement at all.
 
I have a feeling that it's impossible to discuss what Chris Matthews said, and more importantly what was meant, in a non political sort of way given the amazingly political nature of who delivered it and his past examples of verbal diarrhea.

Discussing race and racial equality and "colorblindness" whatever that's supposed to mean, is inherently a difficult thing to discuss openly and freely because so often the racist charge gets brought out prematurely, and so many people are afraid of being called one. Being called a racist in today's America is like being called a really bad thing from the 1700s in the 1700s (I'm drawing a huge blank on my analogies). It's something people avoid at all costs, so it's a very powerful tool for getting people to at least say they agree with you when you have a discussion about it. Fortunately though, I think the word is beginning to lose it's conversation stopper charm and as a result a real dialogue can begin.

Like I said in my earlier post, people NEED to stop thinking about everything in terms of race, and start dealing with what was said, and more importantly, what has been done. I think Chris Matthews' statement was a perfect example of how racially charged thinking pervades much of the media today when dealing (specifically) with Obama, and more generally politics and social issues, such as welfare, health care, jobs, etc. I think until we are all able to see past some one's skin color and focus instead of what was said by that person, or what they have done, or what is the best way to viably help them, then we'll be doomed to this pathetic politically correct state we live in today where everything is a thinly veiled racist attack by xyz group, or abc group is charging racism against blah blah blah.

I don't want it to sound like I'm accusing you of doing these things, cause I'm not, just kind of going off what you said about Chris Matthews.

Your feelings about racism are strong, but you said nothing about my question. What do you think about the term "colorblind."
 
It is not used properly there. The term is silly in this precise context. I understand that several places in America don't see moderately dark-skinned people as genuinely black, but his comment sounds a bit more like a very badly formulated "It doesn't matter to me".
 
I must admit I'm not surprised anymore when I hear a white man lay down a funky bass line, but ergo "token" on South Park, I'm surprised when I hear a black guy play and he's not funky. Obviously when it comes to evaluating bass players I'm not colorblind.:D

Colorblindness should certainly be the moral ideal for any society that values equality. OTOH, there are differences in culture, just like there are biological differences between the sexes. Acknowledging those differences is part of the normal thought process of probably everyone. The issue comes when those differences become points of judgement either by giving someone a benefit to compensate for perceived inadequacies or by giving them a disadvantage by prejudging them negatively. Both are prejudice.

The simple definition of the action of prejudice is judging someone by different standards then others because of race, gender, or religion.

As far as politicians, I don't judge any of them by their skin color. I judge them by what they say, how they say it, and if their actions line up with the content of their words.

As a side note, TNR had an interesting article by John McWhorter, a Stanford Linguistic professor suggesting its time we get rid of the term "African American". His argument is there are over a million "real" immigrants form Africa in the country now, some of whom are white. And that most African Americans are no more connected to their dialect, language, tradition, or heritage then a most other third generation plus Americans.

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Your feelings about racism are strong, but you said nothing about my question. What do you think about the term "colorblind."

I think the word itself could have been better chosen, but I think that the meaning behind the word is sound.

Colorblind, in this sense of the word, means to not include some one's race in ones judgment of their character/analysis of their actions/etc.

It's hard for me to come up with a concrete response to your question right now, since I just got back from a bar, so look for me to respond more in depth tomorrow at some point; but in general, I think that using some one's skin tone to judge their anything is a waste of time. Rather I would look at how they carry/present themselves, how they dress, how they interact with others, how they speak. I think these things are more telling factors about some one's character than their skin color/bone structure.
 
So, if you lost your job due to reverse discrimination, you would consider that perfectly acceptable and normal?

See, there's a term that bothers me far more than the word "colorblind" - it's the "reverse" thing.

Like "reverse racism" or "reverse discrimination", there IS NO "reverse", there is only racism, or discrimination.
Plopping a reverse before it makes it sound like racism, or discrimination is the domain of only one race, and that in itself is racist, no?
 
See, there's a term that bothers me far more than the word "colorblind" - it's the "reverse" thing.

Like "reverse racism" or "reverse discrimination", there IS NO "reverse", there is only racism, or discrimination.
Plopping a reverse before it makes it sound like racism, or discrimination is the domain of only one race, and that in itself is racist, no?

In general, using terms that are already in existence is the way language functions. Unless someone has the verbal ability to override accepted usage and add to the precision of what is already there, little else can be done. I'm no linguist and don't plan to coin any new terms.
 
I just dont give a crap about race to be honest and I think that in itself is offensive to some people.
I also firmly believe that no one race is more or less guilty of being racist in this day and age than others. To think otherwise is delusional. I've just experienced too many things in my life to dictate otherwise.
Maybe I'm "colorblind"? I dunno. Really don't care..

I can best conclude how I feel about the topic by quoting you, in spite of the fact that I have just posted another post in which on the surface it may appear we are disagreeing with each other. But to a large extent what you say here does make sense to me. I might add that I am probably even more apathetic than you are, but that may be due to the fact that I'm still recovering from extensive work done on my teeth and gums. The bill is so high, it's likely I'll be selling all my gear. I've already removed everything from my profile since it appears soon there will be nothing to put there anyway. I had not even intended on posting anymore, but people keep responding to a post I made on this thread.
 
I can best conclude how I feel about the topic by quoting you, in spite of the fact that I have just posted another post in which on the surface it may appear we are disagreeing with each other. But to a large extent what you say here does make sense to me. I might add that I am probably even more apathetic than you are, but that may be due to the fact that I'm still recovering from extensive work done on my teeth and gums. The bill is so high, it's likely I'll be selling all my gear. I've already removed everything from my profile since it appears soon there will be nothing to put there anyway. I had not even intended on posting anymore, but people keep responding to a post I made on this thread.

Ha! Funny coincidence - I'm usually not so grumpy in most posts. But....
just got back from my 2nd trip to the dentist for extensive work on my teeth and gums, and have to call an oral surgeon in a few mins to schedule even more surgery.
But hey... at least the hygienist tells me that I've got great clean teeth. :rollno:
Anyway - good luck dude, try not to sell all of your stuff unless absolutely necessary!
 
Ha! Funny coincidence - I'm usually not so grumpy in most posts. But....
just got back from my 2nd trip to the dentist for extensive work on my teeth and gums, and have to call an oral surgeon in a few mins to schedule even more surgery.
But hey... at least the hygienist tells me that I've got great clean teeth. :rollno:
Anyway - good luck dude, try not to sell all of your stuff unless absolutely necessary!

Thanks, I am going to do my best to hold on to what I can, although it will be a while before I'll know how things are going to turn out.
 
Many whites speak of being "colorblind" when it come to race. An example was on TV last night. Chris Matthews said he forgot President Obama was black during the state of the union address. I honestly felt he meant to compliment the president, but for many blacks, "forgetting" color is not the issue, the issue is not letting color be the basis of judgements. It's just funny how people can talk past each other.

BTW, this post is solely about the notion of social "colorblindness." Political discussion of the President or Matthews is not appropriate or necessary.

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I think the term "colorblind" is just about the perfect way to describe what we should aspire to in a racism free society.

BUT. . . . the term has been used by so many different people for do many different purposes that it's lost its usefulness if not its meaning. It's like saying "Hey I've got some black friends and therefore --------." (Usually followed by "I'm not a racist.") Sure, a white person who has a black person as a friend can make the claim that they aren't prejudiced. But so many prejudiced people have made the same claim that you may as well just save your breath.

If not for its overuse and misuse, I think the term "colorblind" would be perfect.