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Is There A Future For Tube Amps?

I have noticed, both in myself and others that I am seeing less and less Tube amps around and particularly in stores.
To fair, stores are only carrying the simplest of gear these days. Your GC and Sam Ash will be more than happy to order you tube stuff, but the price makes them a little prohibitive to have in the store.

My current rehearsal and small gig amp weighs 20kg all up, fits in the back of the car and I can carry my bass, cabinet and a back-pack with my Bass head, pedals and cables in 1 trip and my previous rig weighed 70kg or 150 lbs and needed a Wagon to put it in without scratching the car.
This is about how I feel about it. My Shuttle 9.0 is plenty loud, has a tube if I feel like pushing the preamp, and weighs less than 10lbs. Each of my GK Neo2 112 cabs weighs about 35lbs a piece and combine for 600w of big, smooth tone. It all used to fit in my Mazda 3 sedan and now fits just fine in my Ford Focus 5 door. When I stack them vertically I have a very small foot print on stage, which is good considering some of the tiny places I've played.
If I played big venues and had a roadie with a van to move my stuff, a tube head and 8x10 would be awesome, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
When I go into the studio, if the engineer wants to through an SVT at me, I won't say no. But live, I'm competing with two Marshall stacks, so ain't no one gonna be able to tell if I'm playing through a tube amp of not.
 
IMO emulation of tube amps will replace real tube amps somewhere in the future.

Most emulations are based on time invariant systems. However there are many time dependent paramters like the sag of the supply which are not well adressed in present modulations. Never the less I'm pretty sure that design engineers all around the world are seeking for improved understanding what an all tube head makes an all tube head so awfull unique in it's musical sounding.
Performance of microprocessors raises on year after year, and therfore make way for more complex modelings beyond time invariant systems.

By the way I'm pretty happy with my 70's magnavox svt, by the other hand I'm happy with any gear when it sounds pretty good to me.
Ya, me too. But I'm much happier when it sounds way good ;)

The thing that's the toughest to duplicate is the physical reaction, IMHO. There is something to be said for your signal traveling through a big mass of coiled wire, into several glass tubes that constantly recycle electrons, and into even more coiled wire. Emulation has made it possible to cop the sounds of a recording of a tube amp being mic'ed, but not the actual amp itself, which is a whole new ballgame.
 
To fair, stores are only carrying the simplest of gear these days. Your GC and Sam Ash will be more than happy to order you tube stuff, but the price makes them a little prohibitive to have in the store. ...

That does seem to be the trend these days. My local GC didn't have either my first choice or second choice bass in stock and also didn't have the amp head that I wanted. I had to pay in full up front and then the store got the things that I wanted pretty quickly. Given the financial pressures that these stores are under these days it's understandable. I still wish I could have tried out that Rickenbacker bass in the store though. Perhaps I was naive in thinking that a big box music chain store would have the financial reserves to allow it to stock the more expensive instruments.
 
Tube amps will never completely go away because:
1. They are still the studio weapon of choice (blended with DI) for most session cats
2. They will always be the go to live rig for big venues
3. Almost all our bass heroes and pretty much every legendary recording involved a tube amp in some way shape or form
4. You will never convince gigging musicians that solid state (no matter how good) can match the warmth, touch sensitivity and organic tones that only tubes provide.

In a lot of ways it's lot like how pre-CBS Fenders will always be treasured.
What I would love (and I know it won't happen) is for a few companies (Ampeg, Fender etc) to put out low wattage all tube combos. They could promote them as studio rigs.
 
That does seem to be the trend these days. My local GC didn't have either my first choice or second choice bass in stock and also didn't have the amp head that I wanted. I had to pay in full up front and then the store got the things that I wanted pretty quickly. Given the financial pressures that these stores are under these days it's understandable. I still wish I could have tried out that Rickenbacker bass in the store though. Perhaps I was naive in thinking that a big box music chain store would have the financial reserves to allow it to stock the more expensive instruments.
I think TB has done hundreds of pages on this, so I won't belabor the point, but yes, that seems to be an issue. If you are going to be the Walmart of MI, then you should have more stuff. However, GCs finances are noticeably troubled at the moment and their lack of interesting gear is a symptom of this.
Sam Ash has a better selection of basses, and a little more in ways of amps in their stores. I don't know what SA is doing that GC isn't, but it is having an affect.

Ampeg has been a staple of really any store's bass gear for decades, so for any to not have at least one SVT, or tube pre head somewhere would be weird.
As I think about it there aren't a ton of other pure tube heads left that aren't a little on the boutique side. Maybe Orange? Mesa has flirted with other stores, but I've never seen their bass gear anywhere but in their stores. GK and Hartke don't list 100% tube heads as part of their lineups. I have no idea what Peavey is doing these days.
 
I don't see them going away any time at all.
They sound good.
fun to play, easy to record.

Only downfall is weight, which to most of us when we started playing, didn't care how much it weighed, because it sounded so good going through a couple of fridges.

and yes, if most of us had trucks and roadies, we would be pumping a buffered signal through several tube amps and stacks of speakers and enjoying every minute.
 
Can't say that i've read every single reply, but has anyone mentioned the issue of tube supply??

There are only a fraction of tube manufacturers in the world compared to the 70's and from what i have read over the past few years (mainly in regard to guitar amps) is that getting good quality tubes with reliable tight tolerances is getting harder and harder. This may be the limiting factor in tube amps as time moves on. If you can't reliably replace tubes or start having more and more tube failures people will look elsewhere, particularly pros who must have reliable gear. It wouldn't take more than a couple of high profile failures on stage to convince them to move to SS. If the well known pros use SS more and more so will the amateurs.
 
Don't get me wrong guys. Nothing I've played compares to the tone of my Sunn 300 and 215 Cabinet.

But particularly in Australia. I can't even remember the last Tube amp I saw live. It's always GK's, SVT7's, Hartke's, lots of Eden's and Aguilar's at the moment.

More particularly, I am seeing more Blues and Classic Rock using Solid State where historically I have found are usually flooded with Tubes.
 
As long as musicians seek an authentic vintage legacy sound there will be tubes and tube amps.
Remember, tube bass amps use the same tubes as tube guitar amps.

Just a few tube amp builders
As you can plainly see there's a big world outside of big box retail.

Divided By 13
Matchless
Bad Cat
Carr
Dr. Z
65 Amps
Jule
Tone King
Top Hat
Kendrick
Allen
Clark
Quinn
PWE
Supro R/I
Splawn
Soldano
Verellan
Victoria
Port City
Carol-Ann
Two Rock
Bludotone
Allesandro
Mojave
Winfield
Weber Mywatt
Hi-Tone
Reeves Amps
Friedman Amps
Gries Amps
Magic Amps
Red Plate Amps
Viking Amps
Blankenship Amps
Suhr Amps & Custom Audio
Komet Amps
3P 3rd Power Amps
3 Monkeys Amps
Hendy Amps
Bruno Amps
Mad Professor Amps
Metropoulos Amps aka Metro
Germino Amps
Vintage Sound Amps
Louis Electric Amps
Magnatone USA
Jackson Ampworks
Fargen aka Exclusive Amps
Ceriatone
Morgan
Cornford
BC Audio
Wizard
Science

I'm sure I've forgotten some
My SWART!!! :D
 
The majority of custom builders listed above stay plenty busy builder direct or through a few select retail outlets.
Most will ship outside US on special order.

FTTT: We get it.. How many threads and posts are needed to express that custom hand-made amps are so very much superior than ' big box' amps! Thank you! :spit:

I think I'll just go to the basement and twiddle the dials on my lowly Fender 100t.. The sheer shame of it all....:crying:.....

Marc
 
Let me start off by saying that I love the sound of a good all tube rig. Back when I was playing full time in the 70's and 80's, I had an early 70's "blue line" Ampeg SVT/Sunn 2x15 loaded w/JBL K140s rig that was the best sound I ever had … even to this day (and I have some pretty darn good gear now). However, I think that the warmth and response of a good all tube rig is more important to the player than to the audience. I don't think that all that many bass players could pick out an all tube from a hybrid from a completely solid state rig in a blindfold test with it mixed in with a band in a big room and that considerably fewer non musicians could tell the difference under the same scenario. Another issue is that as soon as you have sound reinforcement in the equation, the all tube nature of your head is somewhat compromised from an audience perspective. Short of bleed from the vocal microphones picking up some of your stage sound, the audience is going to mostly hear a DI off the amp, a DI off the bass or your cabinet mic'd. In all three scenarios, there's going to be a whole lotta solid state between your stage sound and what the audience ultimately hears … solid state mixing boards, solid state EQs, solid state compressors, solid state crossovers, solid state poweramps, etc, etc. In the case of the DI taken right off the bass, your all tube amp is practically out of the equation if the venue is large enough where the stage sound is not heard by the audience and unfortunately, in the case of SVT heads, their DIs are either too noisy or are _perceived_ by most sound men as too noisy where they will almost always take the DI right off the bass with that amp. Back in the day when I had that killer blue line SVT, the preamp out was WAY too noisy and I used a Countryman Type 85 direct box right off the bass. In recent decades, I've probably done ten backline provided gigs where the supplied rig was a modern SVT variant with its own DI and the sound men _still_ chose to use an external direct box and take it right off the bass. More often than not these days, when I have the opportunity to do a sound reinforced gig, I'll bring my Ampeg SVP CL preamp loaded rack rig because it has enough of the essence of the classic SVT sound, but with a quiet DI that is actually usable by finicky (and noise averse) live sound engineers. And speaking of sound engineers, _they_ are actually going to be your "critical success factor" for sounding good to the audience. The first time I played the Columbia Pike Blues Festival, they supplied a GK 800RB/Hartke aluminum cone 4x10 rig, but took a DI right off the bass using a very cheap Horizon direct box that I'd seen in stores for less than 20 bucks. A cable access company did a pro filming job of the show with the sound taken right off the mixing board going into the recording. I got the business card of the guy filming it after the show and made arrangements to get a VHS HI-FI dub of our show from him. Anyway, the DI right off the bass into that cheap direct box ended up being the best tone I've ever gotten … clearly because the sound man really knew what he was doing. On the other end of the spectrum, I once saw Chris Issak at a "shed" type venue here in VA and his bass player played a pre-CBS Precision through a pair of blond Fender Showman heads with matching "tone ring" 1x15 cabs (undoubtedly) loaded with JBL D140 speakers … basically a "voice of God" setup. The rig was mic'd and everything was in place for the bass to sound really good. Instead, it sounded very muddy. You couldn't make out anything that he was doing. I wouldn't stake my life on it, but chances are the sound engineer didn't know what he was doing and all the advantages of that great rig were negated.
 
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