Yup, I think you nailed it.
Edit: First post from a new member and it's currently up to 5 pages? Surely, that's getting into record breaking material.
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Is this good? Boom Bass Cabinet
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Yup, I think you nailed it.
Edit: First post from a new member and it's currently up to 5 pages? Surely, that's getting into record breaking material.
fear shills are everywhere, can't argue with that. Look at where most threads they're involved in go... not that you'd notice.
Considering I don't work with BBC and I'm not selling anything related to it, the usual namecalling seems to fall short.
I'm not aware of any members that are endorsed or associated with Fear cabs other than the builders.
You and BBC on the other hand, er, uh oh, wait...
Oh snap, my bad.
Have you ever tried a Fearless?
You and BBC on the other hand, er, uh oh, wait...
Oh snap, my bad.
Have you ever tried a Fearless?
I hear what your saying. I'm gonna go out a limb here and ask out of all of those individuals listed above, how many of them directly compared it to 3-5 other cabinets. Probably none because it isn't often you get a chance to have all of them in the same room together.Sounded like he based his thoughts on what he understood of the design and unlike the fear people that didn't inform him that they couldn't work. The majority of negative comments have been based on people not actually hearing the cabs either, instead basing their opinion on what they think will happen. The majority of positive ones are from people who've actually heard them. Coincidence?
With your description, particularly not hearing a difference in dispersion, I didn't even bother addressing it. I've already spoken with people who tried the cabs stuck between two other cabs or some other boundaries and claimed the same thing. Or couldn't hear what by most accounts can be a very loud tweeter firing up, even close up on the cab. I don't know how that happens and frankly at this point I don't need to know. You apparently experienced what you experienced what you experienced and I have at least few hundred gigs under my belt with clearly different results. Along with lots of feedback from bandmates, contractors, audience members and some very good live engineers. I'm guessing those ears didn't lie either.
I played the drums while the tank was about 2-1/2 feet from the high hat/kick drum area, slightly forward and couldn't notice anything more from the BBC than the other cabs that were on the other side of BBC.
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True. I've actually brought cabs to several local shootouts so people could hear them for themselves against anything they wanted to. It's much easier than trying to explain what they do.
Possibly a silly question... was it turned up? One of the early buyers showed a pic from his gig and his cab was well in front of the drums and according to him his drummer heard it very well. I've had the same experience. So when it doesn't happen I wonder why.
BTW having them in the same room together may not be the best test either. Dave did his bedroom comparison with the sides obscured by other cabs and then seemed insulted when I pointed out the problem. Because what cabs does one use with something in front of any ports? He also thought that it should be explained that space should be clear around the cabinet though IIRC he came up with something silly like twenty feet.
The same thing can happen in stores... testing a cab you plan on using on the floor stacked on top of another cab is also not ideal. But people, including salespeople who should know better do it anyway. Then blame the gear.
His explanation was pretty accurate, but not completely. The driver firing into the slot chamber does act like a port, because the chamber makes it a bandpass. That results in it doing just what Duke said, adding output in the lows, but not in the mids and highs, just like a port. That being the case the side ports aren't going to give wider dispersion in the mids and highs, because there's no mid and high radiation from them. That's obvious to someone who knows how bandpass works. If you don't you might think so, and you might convince others who don't know any better that it does, but if you're going to break this or any law of acoustics you need conclusive proof that's the case. The only other question is whether the two drivers share a common sealed chamber, as I suspect they do. That makes it an isobaric, also obvious to someone who knows what isobaric is. Based on what little technical information does exist I say this is an example of a seat of the pants design where the inventor really doesn't know what it is. That's OK, many great discoveries have been made by accident, but I don't think this is one of them.Here's one of the people BBC apparently fooled... Duke LeJeune of Audiokinesis. His explanation did not include any breaking of any laws.
Yes, fear people never swarm a competitor's thread
. Got it. I know lots of people who will find that amusing... including me. They're quick to call names and complain about what couldn't possibly work as well as what they like. Which is by and large silly IMO because last I checked liking a product is up to the individual, not groupspeak. Some people never get that and they'll freak out at someone killing with an EB-3 and an old Vox amp because it blows their mind when people get good results from the "wrong" gear.Yes, I've heard fearful and fearless cabs. Not sure why you keep asking, I've answered that before. I heard early Carvin based versions, flat packs that were built by pros and amateurs, etc. Cabs with and without tweeters. They were okay but not what I was looking for. Reminded me of PA gear. I want something that will produce the sound of me and my basses. There's a difference.
If a cab doesn't blow me away I couldn't care less about the specs. That's not going to change, for me it is fundamentally about the performance in context and frankly the mindlessness of it is numbing. If I have a cab that can easily exceed my volume requirements on ANY and ALL of my gigs, the fact that a larger cab can go even louder would benefit me how? It doesn't... but fans look at that as some sort of "win" anyway, which again is silly IMO.
It doesn't... but spec-hounds love to crow about the superiority of a product while they're blind to the parameters it'll be used in.
@Brad Johnson, are you the Brad Johnson listed as the sales contact for Boom Bass Cabinets?
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I know nothing.
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Based on what you're saying his explanation wasn't at all accurate. You can take that up with Duke... since clearly you think that you know better.
This too explains so much. You have so much wrong yet you have some much confidence in your assumptions. Which is how this has been going since day one.
And these four cabs are isobaric? Please explain... based on what you are guessing is going on inside of the cabs. You clearly think that your guess is better than his. I've already explained what's going on internally, most just seem to ignore it.
I haven't worked with BBC for a year now. I have no control over what's on the website and I still have people contact me and I explain the same thing to them.
You may notice I'm not a commercial user nor do I have affiliations listed. If I still worked for a company I wouldn't be allowed to do that.
Nice try, Colombo.
Considering I'm not in Baltimore, nice try.
My phone number used to be on there... at least he took that off.
Ask anyone here who's contacted me after March 2017 what I've told them when they've contacted me.
Then we can get back to what I'm selling... vs. contrasting the usual BS.
Nice try, Colombo.
Considering I'm not in Baltimore, nice try.
But that's you, right? It's not a different Brad Johnson?
Hey Wumper! I've used both and the Fearless F112 is the better I think. Either way, you will need a Great Amp to get the most out of it. They're hungry for watts! I run a 1600watt amp and it sounds like heaven! Hope this helps, Cheers
