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It looks like poor Carol Kaye doesn't understand the internet
- Thread starter YL_Bass
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Guess you should take it up with the Supreme Court of the United States of America:
Just because YOU don't SEE a difference doesn't mean there isn't a difference. Just because the average Joe can't pick out the bass line doesn't mean it's not important to the song.
JAUQO III-X
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I know and respect Carol. She is witty,talented, takes no bs from any one(I really love her for that).
What most of you don't know and understand, is that Carol is in the process of helping change the way work that is rightfully owned by others is illegally handled by such scammers.
Some of you will be thanking her.
What most of you don't know and understand, is that Carol is in the process of helping change the way work that is rightfully owned by others is illegally handled by such scammers.
Some of you will be thanking her.
and by "such scammers" you mean any site that has links to sites with info regarding torrents?
What Carol's trying to do is admirable. What she's actually doing is something completely different.
A for effort.
Exactly. What she thinks she is doing and what she is actually doing seem to be two different things.
The non-admirable thing was she incited people on her website to harass the operator of the blog, then when the blogger gave her a bit of her own medicine she starts warning legal action. Don't try to dish it out if you can't take it yourself.
I don't know what dude is worried about!! Why?? A short quote from the provided statement:
"You are going down,buddy!"-Carol Kaye
Damn,if only I could have a buddy like that.......Oh well.
"You are going down,buddy!"-Carol Kaye
Damn,if only I could have a buddy like that.......Oh well.
I'm sorry, but you don't get an "A for effort" when you are so uninformed and ignorant that you are slandering obviously innocent parties. I can't imagine what she could possibly be working on that we will supposedly "thank her for" when she is so utterly clueless as to the basic way that the internet works... I fail to see how her complete ignorance in the matter and her current attitude could in any way shape or form by any sort of asset whatsoever to the current environment.
but I've been wrong before
also, let's be perfectly clear, based on the statements she made, she believes she could (and apparently should) sue talkbass.com, we here have multiple links to not only to the blog in question, but also likely thousands of links to google, which is the greatest source of pirated media on the entire internet.
I find the hate and vitriol directed at Carol Kaye to be the most disturbing part of all. At least she wrote something SOMEONE is ripping off, which is undeniable. And since anyone who is anyone knows and respects her immense contributions to music, if you don't, well....... don't advertise your ignorance by putting her down.
I think more of the issue is the hate and vitriol she is directing at people who are trying to tell her she is going after a blog not a torrent site and is going to make a fool of herself and waste money in legal fees.
But in her words we can '**** off'.
If you know Carol could you inform her that we are not pirates. We are fans and are trying to make her aware of large error she is making by going after a news blog. They haven't linked to any of her content and it is creating a large amount of negative publicity for her, especially considering the manner in which she is reacting to people who are trying to point her to actual pirates.
Regarding the cover band thing:
Let's go back to the proposed coffee table analogy.
Are they creating "perfect copies".
I'm not really on one side of the other as far as royalties.
I think (good) live performances of one's work by others are it's own form of free advertising and selling points.
Let's go back to the proposed coffee table analogy.
Are they creating "perfect copies".
I'm not really on one side of the other as far as royalties.
I think (good) live performances of one's work by others are it's own form of free advertising and selling points.
Of course you do.
But what you don't seem to understand is this is not what she is doing by the route she is taking. With all the bile she is spitting at those who are trying to help her, she will be thanked by no one until she gets a clue to how this all really works.
Assuming you understand it (and by your post above, I'm not sure you do understand it technically), why don't you try to get through to her.
Let's see what happens.
That approach hasn't worked so far.
I thought Alembics were suposed to be "coffee table" basses.I have seen some Boo-Teek basses that could double as coffee tables!
Actually, that's the way it should work - Bars/Venues pay ASCAP & BMI a yearly fee that takes care of all the covering of songs by live musicians for that year - quite literally, it's not the band's concern (unless they're a full-time Cover Band making serious money the way of corporate gigs and such - I believe they fall under a different category). If a bar doesn't do so and gets away with it, it's most likely because they're "Small Potatoes" - I'm sure they make far more off of one Theater or Arena than a few *hundred* bars. A guitarist of mine's day job use to be as a Legal & Licensing Specialist at The Harry Fox Agency... the people that make sure copyright-holders are getting paid what they're owed from Venues, Radio, Commercials/Advertising/Placement and the like, and after that has done the same thing but at a higher level at AMI and RealNetworks, so I believe I have decent knowledge about the subject.
...and since I'm the guy who (inadvertently) started this brouhaha regarding "Theft" vs "Copyright Infringement" as posted by "Mister-O":
The Supreme Court said:
It's all well and good if you happen to feel that Copyright Infringement "is all still stealing" or "sounds like stealing" or that you morally place CI & Theft at the same level, but legally (which is *what* I had stated in my original post) they're not. Period. End of Story. It's also interesting that CK doesn't even realize that without Google, apparently the Master Thief of the 21st Century, I imagine that finding the sales of the material that she sells herself would most likely be a *fraction* of what they are now... simply because people wouldn't be able to find them! As for her, I used to have a modicum of respect for her achievements, even though no one except her was totally sure exactly what achievements she played on.
After this debacle and moreso the deliberate, unprovoked and classless verbal attacks and legal threats made to people simply attempting to help her like "Gawd" and others, she can go ahead and fade into obscurity playing bass, knitting, and yelling at kids to keep off the lawn for all I care. Her long list of negative personality traits have now overtaken her musical accomplishments as far as I'm concerned. :scowl:- Dec 21, 2008
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- ALSO also really wants to be Omar Alfredo Rodriguez-Lopez
Maybe the reason they would is because of his solidification as an icon, which probably has something to do with the fact that he's still not around.
JAUQO III-X
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Of course you do.
But what you don't seem to understand is this is not what she is doing by the route she is taking. With all the bile she is spitting at those who are trying to help her, she will be thanked by no one until she gets a clue to how this all really works.
Assuming you understand it (and by your post above, I'm not sure you do understand it technically), why don't you try to get through to her.
Let's see what happens.
That approach hasn't worked so far.
I fully understand what is going on.
Some one will definitely be thanking Carol.
