Jeff Berlin apology

[muggsy]

I'm not aware of all this soap opera between these great bass players but most of Jeff's points of view are valid, well constructed, necessary and thought provoking, IMHO.

It's always good to improve as a person (we're all flawed, after all) but, in this case, as someone unaware of many chapters of this soap opera, I'm not sure if he should apologise for defending his beliefs...

It’s not really about defending his beliefs. He is a passionate advocate for learning to read music and practicing by playing music, but nobody argues that’s an invalid way to learn. He has gotten himself in trouble for saying it’s the ONLY way to learn, and attacking anyone who suggests there is value in courses that focus on groove, or technique, or anything that he believes should be self-taught or self-evident. He invariably used Victor Wooten, Steve Bailey, etc. as negative examples for teaching what he considers non-musical concepts, and that’s where he (repeatedly) crossed a line.

 

[Durham52]

I think that’s the lesson here, and I think a lot of talkbass can do the same-

there are a lot of roads to reach the same destination, and there are many different destinations worth going to- this is astoundingly true in music, and in particular for the approach to teaching, learning, and mastering the craft

Well said.
I get why people get fixated on things having to be a certain way, it's a pretty common human trait, but for me anyone who pushes a, 'this is the only right way, line', is not someone I want to spend time listening to. Fine, if someone is telling me how to wire a power outlet so I don't electrocute people, but not when we're talking about a creative process, like music.

 

[DJ Bebop]

Page 4 and still no explanation of what this is all about

You had to be there.

 

[5StringBlues]

Well, Mr. Berlin, I am deeply touched by your apology. I see a man who has taken a long, hard look at his attitudes and actions and sees where he can offer amends and make improvements. It is inspiring to see you do so in such a public way. You clearly showed that displaying your regrets to those you impacted is more important than preserving your personal ego. That takes great humility. Thank you for that.

I wish he could have kept his act together here.


Regardless of my personal feelings about him , he was, and is, a valuable resource.

 

[5StringBlues]

For using Facebook? Not a chance!

Thanks for that, my computer screen looks good with beans spewed on it.

 

[HardNHeavy]

assume the position

Seriously tho it takes alot to admit you were wrong..If you got nothing kind to say, then best refrain. We're only human, kudos to him for realizing he made the mistake.

 

[monkeyfinger]

I wish he could have kept his act together here.


Regardless of my personal feelings about him , he was, and is, a valuable resource.

Me too. I know this path he is on is going to be hard, and it will likely not be straight. I wish the best on his journey.

 

[DJ Bebop]

Do you have any idea how many really terrible therapists there are out there? I don't even go but I know several people men and women who have therapists that were just completely out to lunch.

I worked with one in a band like that.
I couldn't for the life of me see what that person could do to help others with all the drama and uncertainty in their own lives. They needed a therapist.

 

[Cutter8]

Good for him! Much respect for the self-reflection and public apology.

 

[DJ Bebop]

It’s not really about defending his beliefs. He is a passionate advocate for learning to read music and practicing by playing music, but nobody argues that’s an invalid way to learn. He has gotten himself in trouble for saying it’s the ONLY way to learn, and attacking anyone who suggests there is value in courses that focus on groove, or technique, or anything that he believes should be self-taught or self-evident. He invariably used Victor Wooten, Steve Bailey, etc. as negative examples for teaching what he considers non-musical concepts, and that’s where he (repeatedly) crossed a line.

I don't think he thinks it's he ONLY way to learn. I think his position was its the ONLY way to be a professionally skilled musician or a professional anything.

I would rather have a school trained doctor work on me than a self tough one or one that learned some doctor "riffs" from someone.

ATST I won't begrudge anyone that wants to cut up someone in their own backyard or local tavern for the door without a formal education as long as it's not me.

 

[Rfan]

It’s a start. Great player…….It’s best to avoid meeting your idols

 

[Tom Gallo]

I don't know much about the guy except that he's a great player and he's also been a massive jerk. I hope this is the start of dejerking himself.

 

[JPaulGeddy]

That's awesome. Much love to you, Jeff.

 

[Rfan]

[QUOTE="DJ Bebop, post: 26812095,

I would rather have a school trained doctor work on me than a self tough one or one that learned some doctor "riffs" from someone.

ATST I won't begrudge anyone that wants to cut up someone in their own backyard or local tavern for the door without a formal education as long as it's not me.

[/QUOTE]
Apples oranges

 

[Tom Gallo]

Do you have any idea how many really terrible therapist there are out there? I don't even go but I know several people men and women who have therapists that were just completely out to lunch.

Your anecdotes are not a reason for someone to avoid therapy. There are plenty of good therapists out there.

 

[noahw1]

Good for him. I cherish my memories I have of the classes I got to take with him while at Musician's Institute but I know he's been difficult to deal with for many.

 

[Hummergeist]

Jeff has been on a little journey, and part of that journey - sometimes - is to think that because you've done therapy, you're 'fixed', or even worse, 'enlightened', and I think Jeff made that mistake. What is promising about this video is that he acknowledges his cycle of offend/apologise - it's hopeful. I follow him on Facebook because I'm interested in his journey and I wouldn't make fun of him, but he has been frustrating to watch at times. He has so much to offer, I hope he can get down to the real business now.

 

[Keyser Soze]

This comment has nothing to do with Jeff Berlin.

Several posters have equating being an a-hole with being a New Yorker. That's wrong. Stop it.

 

[Watchootognbout]

I'm not seeing a video (browsing with Firefox). Does anyone have a link? Thanks!

I had to enable "Trust site"on Ghostery for it to work for me.

 

[Topkat13]

Amends, and I’ve made many (and most likely will make more, can truly free ones heart.