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Jeff Berlin apology

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I wish more men - especially guys his age - would be open to therapy. The world would be a much better place, I think.

I work in the mental health field and most of my clients are men, so I whole-heartedly agree with this statement. I certainly have benefitted from counseling.

I admire Jeff for being open to therapy and open to change. Change is really hard, but it can happen, and I am happy to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Thanks, Jeff, for being a good role model with the video.
 
Good for Jeff. I hope this apology brings him some peace and maybe helps rebuild a bridge burnt.

Anyway, I think it's fine to criticise people, provided it's done constructively. We all learn from people who point out our mistakes,although we may hope it's done in a considerate manner. But we also have to accept that sometimes criticism is subjective rather than objective, and it's OK for others to disagree with you, or do things a different way, or strive to reach a different goal.
 
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I haven't seen any of his educational content, or read any of the comments he's made or the fallout -- but my first impression was that this is a masterclass in making a real apology.

Does his therapist have any openings? :)

I feel like it made me a better person just watching it and thinking about the meaning of an apology. Like, I want to show my students the video as part of our social-emotional learning content.

Anybody who's been wronged of course would not be wrong to choose to wait for changed action, but it's hard to make a better start than this.
 
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I haven't followed any of it, but reading the comments and watching -- it's clear that he criticized Berklee and Steve and Victor's teaching approaches. The metronome joke makes me think that JB is not about metronome work. Some other comments seem to point out that maybe there are some things to critique about SB & VW.

I've never really studied music formally, but having a son up at ESM in Rochester and a wife who is a pro opera singer gives me some notion of how intense and strict some schools of music educational thought can be -- I get the idea that my son is experiencing an intense but positive education.
 
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I know nothing of what is going on here but from his apology it sounds more like the problem is not in criticism but how it was delivered. I am a great fan of the right and value of the critic. Sounds like he went too far and maybe got a bit personal or mean-spirited.

What's he apologizing for? There's lots of things you could say about Berklee that could hurt people's feelings. Debatable whether or not it's polite to talk about but I'm sure people could benefit from hearing it.

Jeff has been a proponent of his method of teaching, to the vehement exclusion of all others. And when he wants to rub someone the wrong way, he is unparalleled at it. And up until now, I don't think he ever thought it was an issue disseminating his opinion while eviscerating his contemporaries. I know this because he was a teacher at my school. Very popular teacher for what he had to say, but no one thought he wasn't an @$$hole.
 
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It is Jeff seeking to put an end to the long-running cool relations between him, Victor Wooten and Steve Bailey. That is a relationship that soured on both sides due to a disagreement over how bass education should be conducted. Jeff is extending the olive branch here and now seeks to repair that divide. I think that is great! He admits that he realises now that he doesn't need to associate his criticism of bass education with criticism of the persons behind it. Jeff has openly stated that his life changed for the better after he started therapy a few years ago. This came after what he has called a 'breakdown'. He described having felt a burden lifted as he sought to make amends for the mistakes he had made in the past.

That is a hugely positive thing for anyone, but especially someone like Jeff who was characterised (either fairly or unfairly) as the 'tough guy' of bass. He was known for a combative attitude and he had the chops to back it up. However, he is a different guy these days. I genuinely think he seems a lot happier than he did when we first spoke (over a decade ago on this very forum). Long may he continue to grow and find a new peace.
 
Man, that's how you do it. Good on him. I wish more men - especially guys his age - would be open to therapy. The world would be a much better place, I think.
Do you have any idea how many really terrible therapist there are out there? I don't even go but I know several people men and women who have therapists that were just completely out to lunch.
 
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