JULE Amps M 2500:: 2500w/3200w(peak) Amplifier

[BurningSkies]

I care about my stage tone. My stage tone matches my DI tone. It also effects how I play and what I hear. I actually care about what I'm hearing from my own gear because I find good tone to be inspirational. Luckily my band does too. In many cases (although a lot less frequent now) my stage tone is also the room tone so having a rig that can present that with a certain fidelity at louder volumes is important. I really don't understand guys who don't care what they sound like. From my perspective I don't understand why you're bothering to play. But that's just me.

 

[steelbed45]

I care about my stage tone. My stage tone matches my DI tone. It also effects how I play and what I hear. I actually care about what I'm hearing from my own gear because I find good tone to be inspirational. Luckily my band does too. In many cases (although a lot less frequent now) my stage tone is also the room tone so having a rig that can present that with a certain fidelity at louder volumes is important. I really don't understand guys who don't care what they sound like. From my perspective I don't understand why you're bothering to play. But that's just me.

Your position is based on this unit delivering a measurable level of sound quality that sets it apart. Does it?
Another question - you said, "I really don't understand guys who don't care what they sound like." Care to expand that, or are you implying that if someone uses anything OTHER than this amp, they are in that category? If someone uses a Carvin power amp, they don't care?

I get it. You love this thing. You just seem eager to step on some toes doing your happy dance.

 

[chadds]

While a huge fan of Monique I don't hear him stepping on toes. I do agree that when attending concerts and bar gigs so many bassists don't seem to care about their tone. In fact the tone they do get, makes the distinctions between the various gear they use indistinct. Then hand your tone over to a sound person who only cares about the bass drum sound and wants to put you in the monitors and you have a mess. Presentation is why some mediocre artists are successful in the music biz. They have their sound every instrument is there and enjoyable. It's not just loud.

It's okay if you disagree. Master your craft and tone and you get calls for gigs and studio sessions. Just plug in and think, "they don't care it's lost in the mix and they don't care" and suffer the consequences.

 

[BurningSkies]

Your position is based on this unit delivering a measurable level of sound quality that sets it apart. Does it?
Another question - you said, "I really don't understand guys who don't care what they sound like." Care to expand that, or are you implying that if someone uses anything OTHER than this amp, they are in that category? If someone uses a Carvin power amp, they don't care?

I get it. You love this thing. You just seem eager to step on some toes doing your happy dance.

No you don't get it. I don't own this unit. I use a different 3000w power amp. What you also don't get is my remarks are in response to someone who actually says that they don't care about their stage tone. It drives me nuts how many bass players set their standard based on 'drunks at the bar' or 'no one hears the bass anyway' type comments. I've never ever heard a guitar player claim their tone didn't matter.

I don't care if others use carvin or otherwise. I've owned carvin gear in the past and it was just fine.

 

[Nev375]

I need this for my bedroom practice rig.

Goodbye SWR Amplite. Your days are numbered.

 

[steelbed45]

No you don't get it. I don't own this unit. I use a different 3000w power amp. What you also don't get is my remarks are in response to someone who actually says that they don't care about their stage tone. It drives me nuts how many bass players set their standard based on 'drunks at the bar' or 'no one hears the bass anyway' type comments. I've never ever heard a guitar player claim their tone didn't matter.

I don't care if others use carvin or otherwise. I've owned carvin gear in the past and it was just fine.

And that's why I asked those two questions. Last I read, not against the forum rules.

 

[Nev375]

You just seem eager to step on some toes doing your happy dance.

Not sure if he's trying to step on anyones toes with his comments, but you seem to be trying to step on his.

C'mon guys. It's a cool new piece of gear. We now have an option to be loud through a rather small piece of gear. New options is a good thing. No one is twisting anyone's arm to buy it or saying that if you don't want/need it there's something wrong with you.

We don't have to make this a boutique vs. budget gear thread.

 

[steelbed45]

Not sure if he's trying to step on anyones toes with his comments, but you seem to be trying to step on his.

C'mon guys. It's a cool new piece of gear. We now have an option to be loud through a rather small piece of gear. New options is a good thing. No one is twisting anyone's arm to buy it or saying that if you don't want/need it there's something wrong with you.

We don't have to make this a boutique vs. budget gear thread.

I stand by my questions. BurningSkies made a couple of general statements that came across as thinly-veiled insults since they weren't placed into context. He did that. Huzzah.

This isn't turning into a boutique vs. budget thread. This is turning into a gang up on the outsider thread.

 

[ahc]

To put this thread back on the rails, Professor Peach had this to say...

 

[peterpalmieri]

Your position is based on this unit delivering a measurable level of sound quality that sets it apart. Does it?
Another question - you said, "I really don't understand guys who don't care what they sound like." Care to expand that, or are you implying that if someone uses anything OTHER than this amp, they are in that category? If someone uses a Carvin power amp, they don't care?

I get it. You love this thing. You just seem eager to step on some toes doing your happy dance.

What he is saying is that when someone says they lower the bar because the drunks in the back of the room don't know the difference; maybe it's time to revisit why you bother developing any skills or talent that aren't noticed by the "drunks in the back of the room". Then add in the commentary that it doesn't really matter if you sound good on stage.

If I heard this kind of stuff coming out of another musicians mouth I can tell you it would be the last time I shared a stage with them. It's not the gear but the attitude burnskies is criticizing.

 

[BurningSkies]

Not sure if he's trying to step on anyones toes with his comments, but you seem to be trying to step on his.

C'mon guys. It's a cool new piece of gear. We now have an option to be loud through a rather small piece of gear. New options is a good thing. No one is twisting anyone's arm to buy it or saying that if you don't want/need it there's something wrong with you.

We don't have to make this a boutique vs. budget gear thread.

It's all good. No worries. Most of the people in this thread know me and understand that I'm not insulting anyone for their gear choices. I'm excited by this because I think it'll be a great unit. I think it provides a potential in a unit that's designed/tuned for bass that is probably unlike most other stand-alone units. The M700 is known for having a 'speed and heft' to it that many are finding to be just the thing and maybe something that's missing from a lot of amp setups. I'm using a Peavey IPR2-3000DSP power amp, and this would be a pretty major step up in power and headroom...and I don't have much problem with either of those.

As an exercise in sweet excess I think it's fantastic.

 

[BurningSkies]

What he is saying is that when someone says they lower the bar because the drunks in the back of the room don't know the difference; maybe it's time to revisit why you bother developing any skills or talent that aren't noticed by the "drunks in the back of the room". Then add in the commentary that it doesn't really matter if you sound good on stage.

If I heard this kind of stuff coming out of another musicians mouth I can tell you it would be the last time I shared a stage with them. It's not the gear but the attitude burnskies is criticizing.

You know that I've never been a fan of the low-self-esteem-club of bass players.

 

[Mike Arnopol]

Maybe I didn't see it or it wasn't mentioned. Does this amp have the Hypex DSP built in? At this quality and price point it would be a shame not to include it.

 

[Bigskybassguy]

So your measuring stick for what you do are the drunks in the back room?

That could be one of them. A hack like me needs real world measurements.

Measuring how impressively long an equipment list can become... that's other people's measuring sticks.

 

[Nev375]

I can kind of see both side of the care, vs. don't care about tone.

Personally, I just want to sound good. There's several ways I can do that which don't require boutique gear to accomplish, but I like boutique gear when I can afford it, so my own setup is an interesting mixture of high priced gear (Kern) and low priced gear (Hartke). Even my main parts bass has a neck that costs 3 times what the Squier bass cost that I attached it to. Because (IMO) the neck is absoluteley the most vital piece of the instrument that you can't skimp on quality. So yeah, I definitely care.

Do the drunks care? no. Does anyone in the audience without a musical background care? no. But I do. And I sure as hell hope the soundman cares. But I have no control over his abilities to understand what I want to sound like or have similar tastes to what a good mix is. So it's foolish for me to worry about what I have no control over. I'm just thankful for the fact that if he botches it up people out there can still enjoy it. ...Even though if I could hear it I'd be frustrated if I knew it sounded bad. So I try to not to worry about it.

But still, I try to make sure I hand him a good bass signal to work with. ...And that has a lot more to do with my ability as a bassist than the quality or price of any of my gear.

 

[JimmyM]

This guy^
Nailed it. I could literally care less what my stage tone is....I can never hear it anyway and the sound guy is just needing a preamp signal anyway. . I think my amp is like 2000 watts or something rediculous, I use 1 channel On 1 side at 1/4 volume...but if buying expensive amps is your thing, go for it. To each his own.

It has absolutely nothing to do with how much money you spend. Last night I did a gig using a $100 practice amp as a stage monitor. It's this general attitude of "Screw it, the drunks in the back don't care so why should I?" Number one, why even show up if that's your attitude? And B, I find that's the attitude of below average bands rationalizing why nobody cares about them.

Good bands care about their presentation. They don't have to have top of the line gear, but they darn sure need to care, because if they don't, who will? And let's not forget that there may be people in the audience in a position to do them some good down the line, like offering them a future gig. Gear your presentation toward the drunks in the back and I guarantee you will not impress anyone enough to get them to offer you something else.

 

[BurningSkies]

I can kind of see both side of the care, vs. don't care about tone.

Personally, I just want to sound good. There's several ways I can do that which don't require boutique gear to accomplish, but I like boutique gear when I can afford it, so my own setup is an interesting mixture of high priced gear (Kern) and low priced gear (Hartke). Even my main parts bass has a neck that costs 3 times what the Squier bass cost that I attached it to. Because (IMO) the neck is absoluteley the most vital piece of the instrument that you can't skimp on quality. So yeah, I definitely care.

Do the drunks care? no. Does anyone in the audience without a musical background care? no. But I do. And I sure as hell hope the soundman cares. But I have no control over his abilities to understand what I want to sound like or have similar tastes to what a good mix is. So it's foolish for me to worry about what I have no control over. I'm just thankful for the fact that if he botches it up people out there can still enjoy it. ...Even though if I could hear it I'd be frustrated if I knew it sounded bad. So I try to not to worry about it.

But still, I try to make sure I hand him a good bass signal to work with. ...And that has a lot more to do with my ability as a bassist than the quality or price of any of my gear.

My take is that I care to the extent of the control I can exert. Yes, sound engineers do what they do, but I try to provide what sounds best to me to the end of my signal chain both for onstage rig and DI. I don't have an impressively long gear list. I retain what I like best that I can afford. For nearly 2 decades that was an old Transient Attack Hartke 3500 before I went though a succession of other amps and cabs. These days 99% of my playing is with the same cabs, same preamp and amp. While I have 3 basses I use one for all my gigging. My enjoyment of sound isn't beholden to drunks at the back of the room and what they may and may not discern. My enjoyment is related to my ears and what they hear and hopefully to my band members ears...because hopefully they can hear me well and what I sound like fits into the material and maybe inspires them a bit.

 

[BurningSkies]

It has absolutely nothing to do with how much money you spend. Last night I did a gig using a $100 practice amp as a stage monitor. It's this general attitude of "Screw it, the drunks in the back don't care so why should I?" Number one, why even show up if that's your attitude? And B, I find that's the attitude of below average bands rationalizing why nobody cares about them.

Good bands care about their presentation. They don't have to have top of the line gear, but they darn sure need to care, because if they don't, who will? And let's not forget that there may be people in the audience in a position to do them some good down the line, like offering them a future gig. Gear your presentation toward the drunks in the back and I guarantee you will not impress anyone enough to get them to offer you something else.

I share my setup as backline for openers or occasionally headliners, recently for a 12 band benefit. I'm occasionally the 'drunk in the crowd' and I can appreciate the tone in the room, either DI'ed through the FOH or in smaller rooms where there's no bass support. I happily show up with a setup that can effectively do both quite well no matter the volume needed. I've got more into my setup than some, but definitely not as much as others. I also (quite surprisingly to me) play in front of people with a fairly consistent regularity and put money in my pocket from time to time. I have an expensive bass, but I bought it with gig money. Boo. I've heard plenty of guys (and girls) with Fenders and Squiers and whatever though it and they sound fantastic too.

I actually prefer my drunks in the front of the room and in quantity. They're more fun to play for when they're engaged.

 

[peterpalmieri]

I've been using a Jule Monique for 3 months now and am absolutely in love with what it does for me. I also recently ordered an M700, I don't need the kind of power the M2500 puts out, but apparently Jule knows folks that do. Many of the newer designed cabs by Greenboy, Audio Kinesis and MAP can take a great deal of power, because of this many of the early adopters of this are using pro audio power amps. A really great high end solution designed specifically for bass is a great thing for bass players and everything Jule makes turns to gold so I'm pretty certain it will be great.

 

[johnpbass]

It has absolutely nothing to do with how much money you spend. Last night I did a gig using a $100 practice amp as a stage monitor. It's this general attitude of "Screw it, the drunks in the back don't care so why should I?" Number one, why even show up if that's your attitude? And B, I find that's the attitude of below average bands rationalizing why nobody cares about them.

Good bands care about their presentation. They don't have to have top of the line gear, but they darn sure need to care, because if they don't, who will? And let's not forget that there may be people in the audience in a position to do them some good down the line, like offering them a future gig. Gear your presentation toward the drunks in the back and I guarantee you will not impress anyone enough to get them to offer you something else.

We played a regular gig where a lot of the people there actually took notice of our gear and marveled at it. They called us "the band with all the amps". As we would be setting up, several of these guys would always come up to the stage and actually ask questions about "what's that do, what's that for", etc. As for me I don't need a 2000 watt amp for my Elks Club fundraiser gigs (they think that a pair of 210AVs is a stadium rig), but good sounding reliable gear is important, IMHO, no matter how many watts you're needing.