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JULE Amps M 2500:: 2500w/3200w(peak) Amplifier

#41
peterpalmieri said:
I've been using a Jule Monique for 3 months now and am absolutely in love with what it does for me. I also recently ordered an M700, I don't need the kind of power the M2500 puts out, but apparently Jule knows folks that do. Many of the newer designed cabs by Greenboy, Audio Kinesis and MAP can take a great deal of power, because of this many of the early adopters of this are using pro audio power amps. A really great high end solution designed specifically for bass is a great thing for bass players and everything Jule makes turns to gold so I'm pretty certain it will be great.
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There was a recent thread about SS/Class D amps and 'heft'. I'm pretty sure that all descriptions of Jule's power amps point to him building power stages that have that 'heft' and transient quickness and depth. I worked around most of that issue by going to the largest power amp I could no matter what the volume I needed and I think that this unit is the logical conclusion to that pathway. I upfront told Jule that 1400 RMS was probably enough for most any player and that a true 2500w amp would basically savage speaker cabs...but there are lots of guys out there who will successfully use this amp. I still think it should come with a warning. ; )
 
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JimmyM said:
It has absolutely nothing to do with how much money you spend. Last night I did a gig using a $100 practice amp as a stage monitor. It's this general attitude of "Screw it, the drunks in the back don't care so why should I?" Number one, why even show up if that's your attitude? And B, I find that's the attitude of below average bands rationalizing why nobody cares about them.

Good bands care about their presentation. They don't have to have top of the line gear, but they darn sure need to care, because if they don't, who will? And let's not forget that there may be people in the audience in a position to do them some good down the line, like offering them a future gig. Gear your presentation toward the drunks in the back and I guarantee you will not impress anyone enough to get them to offer you something else.
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I think we are on different pages here
 
#43
Jrussblues said:
I think we are on different pages here
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I guess the argument is "why spend boutique money as the punters won't know the difference". I made that argument some time ago myself, just because I couldn't afford the boutique stuff.
But when I got my Monique and M700 I finally understood what all the fuss was about. The argument might still be valid for you. But I enjoy my setup and enjoy my playing more. I guess there just might be a few in the audience that will notice the difference too :)
 
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ghorvers said:
I guess the argument is "why spend boutique money as the punters won't know the difference". I made that argument some time ago myself, just because I couldn't afford the boutique stuff.
But when I got my Monique and M700 I finally understood what all the fuss was about. The argument might still be valid for you. But I enjoy my setup and enjoy my playing more. I guess there just might be a few in the audience that will notice the difference too :)
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I get that point
That wasn't what I was talking about tho.
 
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Jrussblues said:
I get that point
That wasn't what I was talking about tho.
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Then maybe I do not get your point. I read yours as: "I could literally care less what my stage tone is....I can never hear it anyway and the sound guy is just needing a preamp signal anyway." so why spend silly money? Anyway..I care about my stage tone, and I can usually hear it. And my pre-amp is Monique, which gets lots of love from my sound guys..YMMV.

Having said all that I think the real 700 watts M700 pushes is plenty. 2500 would just be silly loud for me.
 
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ghorvers said:
Then maybe I do not get your point. I read yours as: "I could literally care less what my stage tone is....I can never hear it anyway and the sound guy is just needing a preamp signal anyway." so why spend silly money? Anyway..I care about my stage tone, and I can usually hear it. And my pre-amp is Monique, which gets lots of love from my sound guys..YMMV.

Having said all that I think the real 700 watts M700 pushes is plenty. 2500 would just be silly loud for me.
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I have a nice swr and 410hlf that stay at home. I prefer to hear what the drunk guys in the back here so I spend more time dialing in my in ears and working with the sound guy than lugging heavy stuff. Even before in ears I could never really here what was going on. To each his own though. No right or wrong. Different pages.
 
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Jrussblues said:
I have a nice swr and 410hlf that stay at home. I prefer to hear what the drunk guys in the back here so I spend more time dialing in my in ears and working with the sound guy than lugging heavy stuff. Even before in ears I could never really here what was going on. To each his own though. No right or wrong. Different pages.
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I don't mean to be critical but if you have no use for a piece of gear why bother commenting about it.

Time for me to head over to the contractors forum and let them know I think the new F550 is a waste of time since I commute to my office in an electric car.
 
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Jrussblues said:
I have a nice swr and 410hlf that stay at home. I prefer to hear what the drunk guys in the back here so I spend more time dialing in my in ears and working with the sound guy than lugging heavy stuff. Even before in ears I could never really here what was going on. To each his own though. No right or wrong. Different pages.
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I've played over 500 gigs the last 5 or so years. Many of those had no FOH support, and zero had IEM setups. There are a lot of different scenarios out there.

That said I don't need 2.5kW, but I do find that having plenty of headroom and "heft" is important, even when I'm not playing that loud. How an am sounds is one thing, how it feels is another. Jule's amps never end up with you saying, "where did my bass go?" like some other setups.
 
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peterpalmieri said:
I don't mean to be critical but if you have no use for a piece of gear why bother commenting about it.

Time for me to head over to the contractors forum and let them know I think the new F550 is a waste of time since I commute to my office in an electric car.
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Did I say something rude? Didn't mean to if that's the way it came across. I believe the op asked what we thought and I gave my opinion. I don't have a lot of time during the day to reply at great length to posts so maybe it came across as short on my end.
 
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Jrussblues said:
Did I say something rude? Didn't mean to if that's the way it came across. I believe the op asked what we thought and I gave my opinion. I don't have a lot of time during the day to reply at great length to posts so maybe it came across as short on my end.
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No not at all You commented early that you don't care about your tone on stage. this amp is obviously designed for those that have the opposite idea in mind.
 
#54
Jrussblues said:
Or really loud practice amps...lol.
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I use a Jule Monique for a church gig where there are no amps. I also use it in clubs that provide back lines. I recently purchased a Jule m700 which I plan to use mostly so on those backline gigs I don't have to bother using the old Gk or Hartke head provided just their cab. I guess it will eventually find its way into my rig but I absolutely love running Mo into the power section of my V4B.

Now that I'm doing those three very different things IEM/no amp, back lines and regular bring your own rig. Mo allows me to get a pretty consistent tone both on stage and FOH no matter what the situation.
 
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Jrussblues said:
I have a nice swr and 410hlf that stay at home. I prefer to hear what the drunk guys in the back here so I spend more time dialing in my in ears and working with the sound guy than lugging heavy stuff. Even before in ears I could never really here what was going on. To each his own though. No right or wrong. Different pages.
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No matter what I hear what the drunks hear. My speakers are fairly uncolored and my DI send matches my line-out tonally. I've heard the amp from stage and from out front with both full FOH and with no bass support. I'd rather fill the drunks' ears with what I consider good tone. And I'd rather hear good tone on stage...so for me that's both having a preamp that's great and also having an amp that doesn't every approach a headroom limit.
 
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I found this to be interesting and surprising (from Sweetwater Sound's website)...

"When matching a power amp to a speaker, a good rule of thumb is to pick an amplifier that can deliver power equal to twice the speaker’s program rating. This means a speaker with a nominal impedance of 8 ohms and a program power rating of 350 watts will require an amplifier that can produce 700 watts into an 8-ohm load. In some applications, such as critical listening in a studio environment, it is important to maintain peak transient capability. For these applications, use an amplifier that can deliver two- to four-times more power than the speaker’s program power rating."

I didn't see it but assume the power rating of the Jule is at 4 ohms and that it's closer to 1000 watts at 8 ohms. That might be just right for an 8 ohm cab rated at 500 watts.

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BurningSkies said:
The headroom race is over as far as I can tell. Jule just dropped this lil' power amp:

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That's 2500w rms into 4ohms I believe. Hypex based amp/power supply with more than enough juice so it won't run out of steam. Or as the man himself said "The Hypex Power Supply used in the M2500 has enough power to run 2 of these amps simultaneously. So it is just loafing along." Obviously this is optimized for the Monique but should kill with most any preamp.

What say y'all?
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I'm waiting for the 5,000 watt version. I want something that can melt speaker cables. :-)
 
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JimmyM said:
That is true for sound professionals, who know better than to blow their cabs. That is not necessarily true for bassists, who have varying degrees of intelligence and will often blow their cabs as a result.
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I suspect this is combos always have a huge safety margin. Amp makers would be flooded with warranty claims if they advised the average player in the same way as that Sweetwater post.

Without a compressor ahead of the amp you could probably very easily fry a cab by forgetting to turn down before plugging in/out.
 
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