At the risk of sounding thick, why? Is one of the inputs on the poweramp in stereo, or is there another reason? And why with the HPF but not without?
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Jule Amps Monique part 5
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At the risk of sounding thick, why? Is one of the inputs on the poweramp in stereo, or is there another reason? And why with the HPF but not without?
And how do you like Monique with your Mesa PH115 cab? Again, it might be that, for your goals, Mo and the Barefaced aren't a good match, but I'd mess around some before settling on that conclusion. I was on the edge of getting rid of my Walkabout until I swapped the tubes in it and tried some EQ approaches that just didn't make sense to me at first (but do now). Now I'm getting a sound from it that I really dig. (Whether or not that will translate at volume in a group setting remains to be seen.)
Try turning the sensitivity all the way up and dialing it slowly back, just to see what it does for you. Try with the knob pushed out and pulled in. If that and goofing around with the onboard EQ don't work, beg or borrow an EQ pedal.
Meeting with nostatic should be helpful -- a second set of ears and a different cab to try will be better than my internet guesswork.
Good luck -- and, hey, either way you'll learn something!
Yeah. I'm happy with it with the PH115. I've not had a chance to push it to band volumes yet, but I'm not expecting much to change. I think it's just not a match. My super bright and quick Buster pairs best with the Barefaced. I'm thinking that cab my lean toward solid state micros for pairings, based on the weight goals. I'll mess around a bit and see where she goes. I am downsizing so the Mo may go :-/
"Comparison is the thief of joy."
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"Comparison is the thief of joy."
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Because my power amp is balanced in, so I can run Monique to power amp balanced in to balanced in, while the HPF3 is unbalanced in, so I run a cable that's balanced to standard unbalanced for it.
These days I run the HPF in front of the Monique rather than in between the pre and power for some other techy reasons.
Hunh. I will have to look into this. I've been running a regular old mono (TS) cable between Mo and the amp. Appreciate the reply!
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If your amp has balanced in you should run balanced to balanced. Otherwise I believe you lose something like 6db at the amp.
I find that I'm pretty unbalanced, so my cables reflect that.
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I figured when I did my setup I'd work with 'best practices. So I ended up using TRS to XLR when just going to amp and TRS to TS when going to an unbalanced in. Easy enough.
I had no idea. Sometimes, I go into the effects return of a Demter HPB-1 800D -- figure that's unbalanced. Sometimes into a Pro-Lite 2.0. I don't know, but if your IPR is balanced, maybe the Pro Lite is, too. Will have to check up on that. ("I want my 6 dB!" he spat petulantly. "Kids these days..." muttered the cashier, "They think they're entitled to everything!")
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If your amp's input has a fairly low sensitivity, it probably doesn't matter, as long as you're getting the output you desire. Would I necessarily notice a difference? Maybe, but the Monique has a volume knob too.
One of the weirder aspects of using the HPF in between pre and power with the IPR is that there's some impedance mojo, where the signal hitting the amp is much hotter than without it, although the HPF3 is a unity gain device. So running balanced->unbalanced didn't really play into that equation, and I had Monique's output level set at 50%. I like the way it sounds with the output level cranked, so the HPF moved out in front of my Monique's input. As it stands now, I run balanced to the power amp, then my jumper that runs amp-to-amp is also a balanced cord.
The TRS jack as the Line Out is a legacy of one of the first group of players to accept Monique. The Bergantino IP crowd needs a three wire input. It saved them from buying a special cable, and it in no way takes away from how we use the Line Out, so a TRS jack is used.
I wonder if it (the TRS jack) is still a helpful thing to do?
Don't change. That is perfect.
The "Balanced Out" of Monique is truly balanced and transformer (Cinemag) isolated from everything.
The "Line Out" of Monique is not balanced. It is a Single Ended signal, no matter what jack or connector we use with it. The TRS jack on the Line Out is a convenience/kindness for some players.
Jules.
So you are ok with a standard instrument cable from my Puma to my Monique??...shorter the better?...any recommendations.?
So you are ok with a standard instrument cable from my Puma to my Monique??...shorter the better?...any recommendations.?
Well, gee, if I had a nickel for every time I've heard that... (Goes to look for a nickel.)
This discussion has prompted me to do some reading on balanced/unbalanced signals vs. high/low impedance signals. The latter I more or less understood. The former, I did not. If you run a TS to TRS cable from an unbalanced source to a balanced input, are you splitting the signal?
Randy T (nice endorsement, btw!), while I'm not so versed in a lot of this stuff, I feel fairly confident in advocating for a short cable there. I use a 2-foot long George L's cable -- low capacitance cable with connecters you attach yourself. I have a similar, 10-foot long instrument cable. With the latter, I notice a small difference playing through it as opposed to one of my cheapie cables, but it's not huge.
NBD!!!! New bag day.
I finally got sick of constantly being asked why I was bringing a Sleep Apnea machine to gigs
and Jule happened to have a Studio Slips bag lying around at his shop. Actually, the Philips Medical bag didn't quite fit Minnie AND Monique stacked.
Just received it (thanks Jule, your help is much appreciated as usual) and it is well made, super light, fits my Dovecage/Minnie perfectly and looks great.
The zipper for the Minnie compartment isn't quite as heavy duty as the one for the Monique compartment, but I think it will stand being dragged around 100+ times a year for gigs and rehersals.
As usual, dealing with Jule on anything is a great experience. Also, shipping the bag (or my 3 Jule amps) from Cali to Canada was also a dream. Any Canadians on the fence about ordering an amp from Jule in Santa Cruz shouldn't give it a second though. Dave at Clubbass sells them too. I bought my Minnie from him last year....
Plus, if you order an amp (not bag), a lifetime supply of shipping peanuts is included for free.
I finally got sick of constantly being asked why I was bringing a Sleep Apnea machine to gigs
and Jule happened to have a Studio Slips bag lying around at his shop. Actually, the Philips Medical bag didn't quite fit Minnie AND Monique stacked.Just received it (thanks Jule, your help is much appreciated as usual) and it is well made, super light, fits my Dovecage/Minnie perfectly and looks great.
The zipper for the Minnie compartment isn't quite as heavy duty as the one for the Monique compartment, but I think it will stand being dragged around 100+ times a year for gigs and rehersals.
As usual, dealing with Jule on anything is a great experience. Also, shipping the bag (or my 3 Jule amps) from Cali to Canada was also a dream. Any Canadians on the fence about ordering an amp from Jule in Santa Cruz shouldn't give it a second though. Dave at Clubbass sells them too. I bought my Minnie from him last year....
Plus, if you order an amp (not bag), a lifetime supply of shipping peanuts is included for free.
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I have my Dove cage permanently attached to my Minnie with dual lock velcro. It just saves a few seconds on setup.
So for those of you that may do this as well, I found a really nice, snug bag for this....
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It is a really high quality padded bag that has just enough room to fit both of them stacked in the main compartment. It also comes with extra padding as well if you want to secure it even more.. And it comes with a protective rain cover! Btw, It has rubber feet on the bottom as well. There is also room for your speaker, and IEC cables.
The bag is made really well, and so are the zippers. It retails for 89.95. Check it out.
So for those of you that may do this as well, I found a really nice, snug bag for this....
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It is a really high quality padded bag that has just enough room to fit both of them stacked in the main compartment. It also comes with extra padding as well if you want to secure it even more.. And it comes with a protective rain cover! Btw, It has rubber feet on the bottom as well. There is also room for your speaker, and IEC cables.
The bag is made really well, and so are the zippers. It retails for 89.95. Check it out.
NBD!!!! New bag day.
I finally got sick of constantly being asked why I was bringing a Sleep Apnea machine to gigs
Just received it (thanks Jule, your help is much appreciated as usual) and it is well made, super light, fits my Dovecage/Minnie perfectly and looks great.
The zipper for the Minnie compartment isn't quite as heavy duty as the one for the Monique compartment, but I think it will stand being dragged around 100+ times a year for gigs and rehersals.
As usual, dealing with Jule on anything is a great experience. Also, shipping the bag (or my 3 Jule amps) from Cali to Canada was also a dream. Any Canadians on the fence about ordering an amp from Jule in Santa Cruz shouldn't give it a second though. Dave at Clubbass sells them too. I bought my Minnie from him last year....
Plus, if you order an amp (not bag), a lifetime supply of shipping peanuts is included for free.
Because you can sleep through the material? (Btw looking for a more challenging band.)
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Because you can sleep through the material? (Btw looking for a more challenging band.)
Our keyboard player actually dozed off at a 4 hour gig, right around the 1am mark after a long week and lots of sleepless nights. I didn't notice.
In this realm, short is always better. And a standard (good quality) instrument cable is all that is required.
The technical reason for the short cable is focused in two areas. The longer cable can act as an antenna, bringing noise into the mix. Second, all cables add capacitance with length. The added capacitance can do very unpredictable things.
Nope. When you run a TS to TRS cable from an unbalanced source you are not splitting anything. In this situation what you get on the TRS end is a high signal on pin 2 and ground (usually) on pins 1 and 3.
We all share in confusion on this issue in part because some manufacturers simply add a 3 pin plug or jack to their equipment and call it balanced. They are not being truthful.
The truth is pretty simple. If you think of the audio as a sine wave with positive and negative peaks, in Single Ended you just have one steady stream of positive and negative. If it is balanced you have two separate streams, and when one is positive the other is exactly the opposite.
