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Knockout "Game"

With the greatest respect, and all that preamble, I trust you have some sort of inside source for crime stats. I would hate for it to be the case that your damning assessment of young African American men is based on the wholely less-than-impartial media, for example.

If this isn't the case then you might as well take that cheesy little cross out your avatar as I see absolutely nothing christian within your post here, just lazy racist sentiment.

Really? :eyebrow: Well I ask you as well .. how is what I said racist? As far as this knockout game goes most of the reported cases have been black on white. There have been some black on black cases as well but most of the reported and recorded cases that have come to light have been black on white. How does saying that make me a racist? Where did I damn young African American men? Where did I make a blanket statement concerning African American men? I also stated that the same type of behavior is done by other young men of other races under a different name. You like the previous poster who labeled me a racist know absolutely nothing about me. You know what ... if my opinion of this crime makes me a racist .. then what does it make Invalid Link Removed who agrees with me. I don't agree with everything that Reverend Sharpton says .. but the man is no fool and I share his take on many issues of a social and/or political nature.. not all but many and this is one of them.

Just to diffuse this racist nonsense in it's tracks let me enlighten you .. I am from the Bronx.. I grew up in the 60s and 70s.. I remember when Julia first hit the airwaves and how exciting that was, Alexander Scott was my first African American action hero, I remember when being called black was an insult.. and I also remember when blackness was embraced to the point where even a white Christmas was frowned upon. I remember the riots.. I remember the freedom rides.. I remember my grandparents and their siblings gathering around the table talking in hushed tones about what was going on down south.. I have had relatives killed by the Klan.. harassed by the Klan and I myself was chased out of Bensonhurst Brooklyn in the 70s as a young teenager with bottles, bricks and cries of "Get the f*** out of our neighborhood n*****!" ringing in my 15 year old ears. I had a similar experience in Fordham in the Bronx before the Bronx was as ethnic as it is today. If you want to get an idea of the climate I grew up in check out Invalid Link Removed. I lived at the other end of Webster Avenue though not in the projects.. and when we moved from that neighborhood in '72, my senior year of H.S. we moved up to the Fordham area on Belmont Avenue just below Little Italy, which was the area portrayed in A Bronx Tale. The #3 bus was rerouted in those days so that it went straight up Crotona Avenue on it's current route rather than through Little Italy across Arthur Ave because of the racial tensions of those days. I was in N.Y. for Crown Heights, the Central Park Jogger incident, Eleanore Bumpers, the Rodney King fiasco .. where Manhattan became a ghost town by 1500 because.. "They were going to riot.. They're on Broadway at Herals Square!! :eek: " and I had to suffer through the whole O.J. Simpson verdict aftermath ... For anyone who has no clue what I am talking about and I think most African American men of about 40 or older who were adults and in the corporate work place at the time will know exactly what I am talking about.. ask any of your African American friends who worked in a corporate environment in particular but just about anywhere about some of their experiences during this incident. Some of them may have some interesting stories to share to a greater or lesser degree. I have seen the aftermath of every single cop shooting.. and plunging.. up until 2000 when I left N.Y. to move to where I am now and I have experienced racism in the workplace and in the military first hand. I have grandchildren of mixed Hispanic and mixed white parentage and I have two daughters who are engaged to men of a different race.
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.. and lastly .. this is me.

If saying what I said makes me a racist in your eyes or anyone else's for that matter I could really care less. You do not know me .. now you know a little bit more about me.. if that means anything great.. if not .. well that's great too as far as I am concerned because it changes nothing about me or who I am or where I have been or where I am headed.

We as African Americans need to get off this super sensitivity nonsense and start dealing with our own issues because yes we know that racism is still a fact.. we can see it every day on multiple fronts but there are other facts that are equally as obvious and one of those is that we need to own up to and stand up to those in our community who bring shame upon it. This "Knockout Game" is criminal behavior with a racial component and I personally see no reason why it should not be treated the same way that any similar crime should be treated.. If the reverse were the case more black folks would be in an uproar however I don't know any who think this is acceptable behavior. Thank goodness.
 
The media didn't twist anyone's arm or pay anyone to do this and this is not new. This has been going on for decades from paint ball assualts to group beatdowns and harrassments and it is not historically confined to any one ethnic group although this latest incarnation seems to be centered around young men of color.

About 15-20 years ago my sister and mother were walking down the street by my house and someone threw a cup full of ice at my mother driving past them and hit her in the face.

I blame the "mainstream media".
 
Sav'nbass I got the "get the **** outta here ******!!" myself about 4 years ago in Azusa. Along with 2 or 3 other events. It was amazing; I only spent about a week there and witnessed things that I thought only happened in movies.

I've got some post-riot stories to tell, and I was a toddler at the time

Finally: A Bronx Tale is one of the bestest movies ever
 
Really? :eyebrow: Well I ask you as well .. how is what I said racist? As far as this knockout game goes most of the reported cases have been black on white. There have been some black on black cases as well but most of the reported and recorded cases that have come to light have been black on white...

You seem just a wee bit defensive. If you are infact not racist then you worded your initial post very poorly.

Anyway, to address this one nugget of information buried away there... you are trusting the mainstream media to be reporting the knockout game evenly? Unless you have access to crime statistic (and hey, as far as I can tell your police are fairly racist as well, because they could get a year's supply of DUI charges by hanging around the country clubs and gated communities of your fair country) then you are trusting the biased reporting of the media to be accurately portraying what is happening on the ground.

I can go onto Youtube and find hundreds of videos of white teenage males burning stuff in their back gardens and woods. I could report this as the "arson game", and claim that delinquent white teenagers were torching private property. The proof would be the increase in Youtube videos over time. I could cluck about how I would shoot any punk that tried to burn my stuff. I could cluck about how these kids only started burning stuff when they took prayer out of schools. I could use it as a springboard to attack modern parenting. "In my day we understood the seriousness of starting fires"...

This doesn't make any of it true. Imagine I was financially bankrolled by elderly white guys and mega corporations to report the news ONLY as they wanted to see it... the true story here is that since the economy took a nosedive there has been far fewer chances for young guys (especially PoC) to find work and make a living through honest means. Perhaps 'punch whitey' is a bi-product of this frustration, but singling out a race as having a disproportionately large 'problem' with violent crime is fairly dangerous if you have no statistics to back up your claim.
 
At least one set of attackers posted a video of their antics on FB: Invalid Link Removed

In any case, it's unrealistic to expect the media to not report on something like this--and they'd undoubtedly be getting a ton of crap if they didn't. Are they guilty of overhyping it? Absolutely. But again, I just don't buy that the media is even remotely the biggest reason for this.

I agree.
 
You seem just a wee bit defensive. If you are infact not racist then you worded your initial post very poorly.

Anyway, to address this one nugget of information buried away there... you are trusting the mainstream media to be reporting the knockout game evenly? Unless you have access to crime statistic (and hey, as far as I can tell your police are fairly racist as well, because they could get a year's supply of DUI charges by hanging around the country clubs and gated communities of your fair country) then you are trusting the biased reporting of the media to be accurately portraying what is happening on the ground.

I can go onto Youtube and find hundreds of videos of white teenage males burning stuff in their back gardens and woods. I could report this as the "arson game", and claim that delinquent white teenagers were torching private property. The proof would be the increase in Youtube videos over time. I could cluck about how I would shoot any punk that tried to burn my stuff. I could cluck about how these kids only started burning stuff when they took prayer out of schools. I could use it as a springboard to attack modern parenting. "In my day we understood the seriousness of starting fires"...

This doesn't make any of it true. Imagine I was financially bankrolled by elderly white guys and mega corporations to report the news ONLY as they wanted to see it... the true story here is that since the economy took a nosedive there has been far fewer chances for young guys (especially PoC) to find work and make a living through honest means. Perhaps 'punch whitey' is a bi-product of this frustration, but singling out a race as having a disproportionately large 'problem' with violent crime is fairly dangerous if you have no statistics to back up your claim.

I would love to see the stats to backup you claims about elderly white guys and all.

There may be fewer chances for young guys who won't work and have failed to graduates from the eight grade but still I feel there are opportunities for those who have it together.
 
..I feel there are opportunities for those who have it together.

Yeah, if you are white, male, straight, able-bodied, yadda yadda yadda. Its all about dem bootstraps though!


As for stats, do you honestly need to see stats? CNN, Fox et al were all set up by white men, who now happen to be fairly old and can dictate what news is reported and how it is reported.
 
You seem just a wee bit defensive. If you are infact not racist then you worded your initial post very poorly.

You are funny. You come on here and not only call me a racist but a hypocrite as well... And you expect me to not say anything. I stand by everything I said and I refuse to sit here on the internet and engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed person. Your opinion of me does not matter in the bigger scheme of things and if I were you I'd just quit now before you look even more silly.
 
At least one set of attackers posted a video of their antics on FB: Invalid Link Removed

In any case, it's unrealistic to expect the media to not report on something like this--and they'd undoubtedly be getting a ton of crap if they didn't. Are they guilty of overhyping it? Absolutely. But again, I just don't buy that the media is even remotely the biggest reason for this.

At least one set of guys falls into both the "cowardly" and "mentally deficient" camps :rollno:

Also I uh...I don't really get how heavily we've been leaning on the "blame the stupid media" narrative. Enough of these idiots are actually attempting to knock unconscious innocent bystanders for no reason other than the thrill of violence, that's the bigger issue.

This is old hat in Australia, except they called in "king hitters..." or something like that. It didn't make news over here until it started happening over here. So how much of this is "copycat" stuff is unknown, and really kind of insignificant in the face of what is actually happening. IME.

I know that a lot of younger folks don't take head injury as serious as they should. You can very easily leave someone brain damaged for life, or dead with these kinds of hits. If I was a teen with friends who did this (back when I, too, didn't know how serious head trauma could be) and saw this news coverage, I would quickly part ways with anyone who kept thinking this was remotely a good idea
 
I have a 16 year old son and I would hope that he wohld do the same he certainly has been taught better but it is really interesting how the pack mentality takes over and common sense takes flight often in cases like this. I still think a lot of it has to do with values and what a young man's perception of manhood and right and wrong is.
 
I have a 16 year old son and I would hope that he wohld do the same he certainly has been taught better but it is really interesting how the pack mentality takes over and common sense takes flight often in cases like this. I still think a lot of it has to do with values and what a young man's perception of manhood and right and wrong is.

Yeah I agree.

I remember in HS, there was a girl at a party whose skirt this guy lifted up. She told her brother, our 300lb offensive lineman about the offense. The next school day, Mr 300 walked up behind the offending party as he was standing on a bench and hit him right behind the ear, just about as hard as he could. The guy fell off the bench and landed smack on the ground. He came to about 10 seconds later, looking around wondering what happened. Just about everyone you could talk to found it hilarious.

No one gave a second thought about giant fist > base of brain > head hits ground from about 8 feet up > temporarily unconscious and the damage such an event causes. It was just pretty boy got knocked out, woke up confused. LOLLOLHERPDERPDERP
 
You are funny. You come on here and not only call me a racist but a hypocrite as well... And you expect me to not say anything. I stand by everything I said and I refuse to sit here on the internet and engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

When did I call you a hypocrite? Did you even read my post, or were you too shocked that I didn't instantly bow down to your "I grew up in the Bronx" hood Daddy routine? And you call me witless? :eyebrow:
 
I have a 16 year old son and I would hope that he wohld do the same he certainly has been taught better but it is really interesting how the pack mentality takes over and common sense takes flight often in cases like this. I still think a lot of it has to do with values and what a young man's perception of manhood and right and wrong is.

Well said...
 
Also I uh...I don't really get how heavily we've been leaning on the "blame the stupid media" narrative. Enough of these idiots are actually attempting to knock unconscious innocent bystanders for no reason other than the thrill of violence, that's the bigger issue.

This is old hat in Australia, except they called in "king hitters..." or something like that. It didn't make news over here until it started happening over here. So how much of this is "copycat" stuff is unknown, and really kind of insignificant in the face of what is actually happening. IME.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...-trend-20131211,0,4681748.story#axzz2pwgFeW00

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/26/knockout-game-myth/3729635/

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/11/25/why_the_knockout_game_trend_is_a_myth.html
 
Yes I know there is a false "these black kids are crazy!! Lets get 'em!!" thing going on. I am paying no credence to and blowing right by that.

Yes I know it is not a nationwide organized thing; these are largely isolated incidents. None of this is new to me.

Like said, though,

Enough of these idiots are actually attempting to knock unconscious innocent bystanders for no reason other than the thrill of violence, that's the bigger issue.