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Knockout "Game"

You think Al Capone. I think kid who wants to punch an old lady in the face on the street. Two different kinds of criminals.

I'm thinking copycat crime. 55% of Americans get their news from TV. 21% from Internet (2% from Facebook and Twitter). This stuff makes the evening TV news, it gets glorified and legitimized in the minds of young stupid people, more young stupid people get the stupid idea and copy it.
 
I think you're falsely treating "criminals" as a monolithic set.

Guys like Ted Bundy? They get a kick out of making the evening news.

Organized crime folks? They'd like everyone to think they're legitimate businessmen and want zero media attention.

I believe a thrill-seeking youth would get an extra thrill from having his crime featured on the evening news. I also believe the evening news helps spread the idea around. Again, I blame media coverage for spreading the idea and inspiring copycats, which is the main point here.
 
I'm thinking copycat crime. 55% of Americans get their news from TV. 21% from Internet (2% from Facebook and Twitter). This stuff makes the evening TV news, it gets glorified and legitimized in the minds of young stupid people, more young stupid people get the stupid idea and copy it.

Source? Also, unless Americans are all 13-24, that stat is a very poor representation. Considering I would venture to guess nearly all of the "knockout game" incidents were committed by people under the age of 24.

You keep changing your state. First it was "notoriety", now it is "copycat". You sound like you're talking about school shootings and not drive-by-punch-bullies.


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...=nE8HcGGBu8qvyEE9vq54Jg&bvm=bv.58187178,d.eW0

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http://www.theatlantic.com/business...e-fleeing-tv-as-a-main-source-of-news/278781/

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This has nothing to do with video games or the media or violent films. Nor is it about single parent homes or under privileged youth. This is about young men of color mostly who have misplaced values on what is right and wrong and what is manly and what is not and no moral compass. These young men also constitute a small minority of young men of color. While most of the cases I have seen of this are black on white all of them are not. The number of them that are black on black is not a small number either they just do not get reported as sensationally as the black on white ones just as black on black police shootings do not get as much attention as white on black ones do but they do happen. Anyone convicted of this should IMO be charged with attempted murder and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
 
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Reading past the first sentence would help.

There is a short section about the age demographic breakdown; it is clear that younger people are far more likely to "prefer" the internet for news while only half of them "prefer" the TV.

The further breakdown shows that among "mainstream news", old people sure love it compared to younger people. My sources reveal a more in-depth understanding of what young people are using (rather than 'preferring') to acquire news - and the substantial decline among young people with regards to using TV and "mainstream news" over the past decade.
 
Reading past the first sentence would help.

There is a short section about the age demographic breakdown; it is clear that younger people are far more likely to "prefer" the internet for news while only half of them "prefer" the TV.

The further breakdown shows that among "mainstream news", old people sure love it compared to younger people. My sources reveal a more in-depth understanding of what young people are using (rather than 'preferring') to acquire news - and the substantial decline among young people with regards to using TV and "mainstream news" over the past decade.

I think I'll bow out now. I see no reason to get into a debate rife with academics and stats to "prove" a simple point. The crimes get sensationalized, they get copied.

Nice chattin' with ya'
 
This has nothing to do with video games or the media or violent films. Nor is it about single parent homes or under priviledged youth. This is mostly about young men of color mostly who have misplaced values on what is right and wrong and what is manly and what is not and no moral compass. These you g me. Also constitute a small minority of young men. While most of the cases I have seen of this are black on white all of them are not. The number of them that are black on black is not a small number either they just do not get reported as sensationally as the black on white ones just as bla k on black police shootings do not get as much attention as white on black ones do but they do happen. Anyone convicted of this should IMO be charged with attempted murder a d prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

That cross totally covers up your bigotry.
 
You think Al Capone. I think kid who wants to punch an old lady in the face on the street. Two different kinds of criminals.

Bonnie and Clyde does not equal Wayne, the 15-year old from Queens who is bored on a Saturday with his friends.

The extent of their want for notoriety comes from posting the video on Youtube to laugh about with their friends.

Which makes them guilty of something like felony assault.
 
Who decided this was a good idea??? What is wrong with the world?

I witnessed first hand a couple thugs trying this, but failing. They used a pipe and stalked a jogger in a park, but didn't knock him out with the first hit so they ran. Just happened to be nearby with a group of friends to hear the victim screaming for help. The term that we heard was "polar bear hunting" and typically describes black people targeting whites and asians.
 
That cross totally covers up your bigotry.

Really? How am I a bigot.. This is the exact same thing as young white skinhead hooligans roaming the streets of the northwest looking for black folks to menace, it just has a different name and a different demographic.. You call me a bigot and you don't even know me. You know nothing about me so tell me.. how am I a bigot? Let's see how you work this one out. I think you have your personal feelings on religion kind of mixed up with your perceived notion of me and who I am am and where I come from.. but you need to consider that your perceptions could be wrong.
 
I've seen happen in person a couple times...just makes me shake my head. I figure like most things it started out as a stupid idea someone thought up but of course thanks to the media now it's a national and perhaps global problem.
 
I think this trend, and yes it is a trend either created by media or reported by media but it does exist, is a result of ignorance and a compounding effect of each generations seeming need to shield their children from the ramifications of the child's actions. At the core of the behavior there seems to be a lack of regard for any repercussions that may befall them as a result of their actions.

I don't think it is entitlement mentality but something more of a lack of thought process as to what could happen to them if they carried out such actions and what the equal and opposite reactions could be. Couple that with inadequate education and thought processes, mix in a fair amount of boredom and you have volatile combination.

An example it the case where young men were targeting elderly. A 25 year old male can generate enough force to break bone, lacerated skin, cause concussions, cause a brain hemorrhage, or neck or spinal trauma. Also contributing to the risk is the fall the victim takes when "knocked out". As seen with the man in NYC who was knocked out who died when his head fell onto/between a metal fence. (I have treated two patients that were killed in fights due to secondary trauma to the head, one guy had his head split open on a street curb and another fellow died in a fight when he fell an hit his head on a trailer hitch on a pickup). That risk is exponentially compounded when the victim is elderly as muscle mass deteriorates and bones become calcified and fragile with age. These attacks on elderly are most defiantly assaults and depending on age of victims murder attempts.
 
I don't think you can blame the media. People are responsible for this behavior. The media didn't twist anyone's arm or pay anyone to do this and this is not new. This has been going on for decades from paint ball assualts to group beatdowns and harrassments and it is not historically confined to any one ethnic group although this latest incarnation seems to be centered around young men of color. In Seattle among other places they just called it a different name but the idea was the same.. a bunch of young men in a pack find a weaker victim and victimize them.. in many cases getting it on camera or even video tape before cameras were on every one's phone. This kind of behavior is not new at all. It is the same behavior that brought some of the strange fruit swinging in the breeze decades ago in the south. The bullys change but they are usually young bored males although some femakes have done this kind of stuff too.
 
I don't think you can blame the media. People are responsible for this behavior. The media didn't twist anyone's arm or pay anyone to do this ans this is not new. This has been going on for decades from paint ball assualts to group beatdowns and harrassments and it is not historically confined to any one ethnic group although this latest incarnation seems to be centered around young men of color. In Seattle among other places they just called it a different name but the idea was the same.. a bunch of young men in a pack find a weaker victim and victimize them.. in many cases getting it on camera or even video tape before cameras were on every one's phone. This kind of behavior is not new.

I agree that is my point. Doesn't mater what you call it or how it got started. It is what it is.
 
I was referring to mainstream media, and thinking of the notoriety aspect. That's the big time for thugs. Internet and social media is still small potatoes by comparison.
Id consider both to be "media". Apparently this knockout game stuff has been reported on mainstream "news" sources. I havent seen anything about it on Facebook.
In fact, if it werent for it being mentioned in various threads here on TB, Id have never heard of it.
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In any case, it's unrealistic to expect the media to not report on something like this--and they'd undoubtedly be getting a ton of crap if they didn't. Are they guilty of overhyping it? Absolutely. But again, I just don't buy that the media is even remotely the biggest reason for this.
 
This has nothing to do with video games or the media or violent films. Nor is it about single parent homes or under privileged youth. This is about young men of color mostly who have misplaced values on what is right and wrong and what is manly and what is not and no moral compass. These young men also constitute a small minority of young men of color. While most of the cases I have seen of this are black on white all of them are not. The number of them that are black on black is not a small number either they just do not get reported as sensationally as the black on white ones just as black on black police shootings do not get as much attention as white on black ones do but they do happen. Anyone convicted of this should IMO be charged with attempted murder and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

With the greatest respect, and all that preamble, I trust you have some sort of inside source for crime stats. I would hate for it to be the case that your damning assessment of young African American men is based on the wholely less-than-impartial media, for example.

If this isn't the case then you might as well take that cheesy little cross out your avatar as I see absolutely nothing christian within your post here, just lazy racist sentiment.