Wasn't Bum Fights on MTV or something? The issue there is dehumanising homeless people (who tend to be mentally ill) for the sake of spectator sport, or big money in the case of the producer. Fairly morally bankrupt, but in a society that collectively turfs its mentally ill into the streets you cannot criticise Bum Fights too severely, really.
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Wasn't Bum Fights on MTV or something? The issue there is dehumanising homeless people (who tend to be mentally ill) for the sake of spectator sport, or big money in the case of the producer. Fairly morally bankrupt, but in a society that collectively turfs its mentally ill into the streets you cannot criticise Bum Fights too severely, really.
I derive joy as well from retributive violence. It's a different kind of joy.
Just kidding, it's still a joy over violence.
Shhhh...you stop that...I'm supposed to believe I could die at any time I leave my house!
Mmm...soo beautiful. You know what have been more beautiful? If she had a knife, cut that dude right open...ripped his heart out while his corpse writhed until it bled out and he choked on his own vomit and blood. Mmm..I love justice.
My issue is that the coverage is very clearly a narrative of "black people are violent."
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I don't think Solarmist said If these violent teens find Jesus it would all go away. I think his point is we are getting away from a value system where respect for others is important, and moving towards a system of "it's all about me"...Yes, violent crime has always been around, but "self-entitlement" and the idea that "I deserve everything I want and deserve it now" has not. Kids are not held accountable today like they were say 30 years ago, therefore they think they can get away with more...It's just a fact. If you have children, and have to interact with other kids, the school systems, youth sports programs, etc...you will know what I mean.
How I do love the youth of today comments.
If they aren't being held accountable, blame the folks who "didn't get away with it" 30 years back and have since spawned.
I suspect your parents thought the same of your generation, as did your grandparents of your parents generation and so on.
If they aren't being held accountable, blame the folks who "didn't get away with it" 30 years back and have since spawned.
I suspect your parents thought the same of your generation, as did your grandparents of your parents generation and so on.
I don't know how directed at my comment about it not being real this is, but I'll state my case.
I've advocated dismissing everything about Miley Cyrus (including the persona itself) as a media-constructed myth at least once on TB in recent months. I'm sure I'd have done the same with the Duke story if I had had enough free time at the time to catch any details about the way it was presented by the media, thankfully I was a busier man at the time and blissfully ignorant of all of the useless news stories out there. I think I'm pretty consistent in whining about the spectacle that exists in lieu of experience for far too many folks.
....from what I've seen....not necesarily; there have been cases covered of white kids doing this too, although not as many.
But many have taken the "black people are violent" banner and ran with it, though.
There was one website posted on here petitioning vigilante justice on two teens who beat up and killed an old man while he waited outside and Elks lodge. The narrative was "keep our community safe," but it doesn't hold much water as the kids were arrested rather quickly and are awaiting trial. That little piece of info got conveniently ignored and not mentioned at all, for some reason...
I thought the "entitlement" card was for making unemployed college grads feel like worthless failures to society. It doesn't really seem to fit violent criminals. I don't think they care what those with lawns think about them.
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+1
People confuse their normative metanarratives of how they perceived things, thinking it's actually an empirical observation of the differences between entire cohorts of people. Since even most qualitative methodology (e.g., ethnography, phenomenology, etc.) strives to explain human behavior at the micro and meso levels, I'm curious how even a casual observation can allow someone to paint a macro level generalization of the "youth of today."
I'm sure even the older generation of ancient Mesopotamia lamented how the kids these day didn't have any respect and were going to ruin the world.
But it isn't.
You are confusing dodgy empirical evidence with "facts". Maybe this is the case in some areas of American culture that you happen to observe, but that doesn't make it a 'fact'. Sorry.
Besides, we both live in a culture that has been trying very hard to make everything easier, cheaper and more obtainable. Why would you expect kids today to have the same value system? That tired protestant work ethic makes even less sense in 2013 than it did in 1963 because life is easier.
We have it here in Denver now. Thanks media, for sharing stupid ideas with stupid people all over the world.
Yeah, thats pretty much it.
It does make one wonder how often incidents like this would actually occur if they were never mentioned in the media in the first place.
Wouldn't it be really messed up if it actually did start off as a myth to scare people and the first people to actually do it heard about the new "widespread" random violence and decided to participate?
