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Lakland Owners Group #51

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#821
I have a question: apart from needing a setup, my 55-60 needs an adjustment... It has a way bigger output than my 2 Fender Jazzes (original 1966 and MIM fretless) which sometimes kinda pisses off sound guys. What would be the best way to temper the output a little? Would lowering the pickups help...? 'Cause that alters the playing comfort... :)

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#822
BassAgent said:
I have a question: apart from needing a setup, my 55-60 needs an adjustment... It has a way bigger output than my 2 Fender Jazzes (original 1966 and MIM fretless) which sometimes kinda pisses off sound guys. What would be the best way to temper the output a little? Would lowering the pickups help...? 'Cause that alters the playing comfort... :)

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well, trimming your d.i. down if you can would help. if your d.i. has a trim level, or if it is coming out of the amp, it may have a level knob, or pad botton. turning the volume of the bass down, which i don't recomend. it changes the tone imo. lowering p/u's will also decrease the output.

if it is a good soundman, the level of your bass shouldn't be a problem, he should know how to correct it. he could pad your channel on the board, or my best idea is, use a mic. most soundmen won't but i think its the only way to really capture the true tone of the bass GUITAR.
 
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BassAgent said:
I have a question: apart from needing a setup, my 55-60 needs an adjustment... It has a way bigger output than my 2 Fender Jazzes (original 1966 and MIM fretless) which sometimes kinda pisses off sound guys. What would be the best way to temper the output a little? Would lowering the pickups help...? 'Cause that alters the playing comfort... :)
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Is there a reason you can't just turn the volumes down a little? Or throw a volume pedal in there somewhere?
 
#826
BassAgent said:
I have a question: apart from needing a setup, my 55-60 needs an adjustment... It has a way bigger output than my 2 Fender Jazzes (original 1966 and MIM fretless) which sometimes kinda pisses off sound guys. What would be the best way to temper the output a little? Would lowering the pickups help...? 'Cause that alters the playing comfort... :)
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Is the problem when when you switch between two basses ? (I presume the soundman wouldn't have a problem with one bass with a hot output).

There are various, cheap to expensive, solutions to balancing two basses. A Link Removed would do it (two or 3 basses plugged into inputs and returns) as would a Radial Bassbone (with some eq options too).

Am I on the right lines ?

Andy
 
#827
It is indeed a problem when switching. I use those three basses in 1 live setup, so it's a problem for sound guys if all of a sudden my output rises quite a lot... LS-2 might be a good idea but I use only one cable (I just put my amp on standby and change basses). So I'm really looking to change the output of the Lakie.
 
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BassAgent said:
It is indeed a problem when switching. I use those three basses in 1 live setup, so it's a problem for sound guys if all of a sudden my output rises quite a lot... LS-2 might be a good idea but I use only one cable (I just put my amp on standby and change basses). So I'm really looking to change the output of the Lakie.
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Simple solution - use the volume knob to turn down Lakie or increase other two basses - maybe a combination of both. I'm not sure you'll find a dynamic device that automatically levels the output to D.I.
 
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Since you have a jazz, its hard to turn down both knobs equally. Plus I think it changes the tone, imo. I think the only simple thing to do is lower the p/u's. You could change p/u's and try to find lower output ones, but if you like the ones that are in there then just lower them.
 
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lfbassguy said:
Since you have a jazz, its hard to turn down both knobs equally. Plus I think it changes the tone, imo. I think the only simple thing to do is lower the p/u's. You could change p/u's and try to find lower output ones, but if you like the ones that are in there then just lower them.
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Fair enough... From my previous post - "or increase the volume of the other two or a combination of both"...

This is really is quite simple to impliment at least as a test and certainly doable with the gear currently in hand.

The suggestion of a pedal to overcome this appeared to be shot down previously for whatever reason.

If the signal is that hot. Maybe the issue should be resolved pre amp input. I assume the volume on the amp/head is being adjusted... Is there not a switch on the amp/head for the D.I. to be pre/post? I suspect the signal to D.I. should be post in that event. Then simply use the controls on amp/head to correct the problem. Get there early one day to run some level tests with the Sound Engineerto mark the sweet spot for everyone.
 
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BassAgent said:
It is indeed a problem when switching. I use those three basses in 1 live setup, so it's a problem for sound guys if all of a sudden my output rises quite a lot... LS-2 might be a good idea but I use only one cable (I just put my amp on standby and change basses).
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If you wanted, you could still do it with an LS-2 and a single instrument cable by patching the sends straight to the returns, giving you 1 fixed volume setting, and two others that could be boosted or cut however much you wanted.

Andy
 
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BassAgent said:
It is indeed a problem when switching. I use those three basses in 1 live setup, so it's a problem for sound guys if all of a sudden my output rises quite a lot... LS-2 might be a good idea but I use only one cable (I just put my amp on standby and change basses). So I'm really looking to change the output of the Lakie.
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If you get a Bassbone (I have one and it's very handy, though I got it for free in a drawing:D) and an extra cable or two, the problem's solved.
 
#835
I confess...

I want to love my 55-02 more than my 55-01, but I don't. I just feel like it should be the alpha bass, but other than looks, I like everything better about the 55-01.

The 55-01 has MK5s and LH3 pre - rosewood board. The 55-02 has LH pickups and NTMB pre - maple board. There is a richness and complex nuance to the sound of the 55-01 that's never there with the 55-02.

The 55-02 feels like it weighs 2 pounds more than the 55-01; not good. Somehow, the 55-01 manages to just feel better in my hands...they should feel the same other than weight, right? They don't.
 
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drpepper said:
I confess...

I want to love my 55-02 more than my 55-01, but I don't. I just feel like it should be the alpha bass, but other than looks, I like everything better about the 55-01.

The 55-01 has MK5s and LH3 pre - rosewood board. The 55-02 has LH pickups and NTMB pre - maple board. There is a richness and complex nuance to the sound of the 55-01 that's never there with the 55-02.

The 55-02 feels like it weighs 2 pounds more than the 55-01; not good. Somehow, the 55-01 manages to just feel better in my hands...they should feel the same other than weight, right? They don't.
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I'll admit. I always liked the 55-01 better too. For me it has more of a sound I like. Rounder and fuller to my ears.

As far as feeling different, I have never felt two basses that felt the same. Not even two exact copies.
 
#837
lfbassguy said:
Since you have a jazz, its hard to turn down both knobs equally. Plus I think it changes the tone, imo. I think the only simple thing to do is lower the p/u's. You could change p/u's and try to find lower output ones, but if you like the ones that are in there then just lower them.
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Umm, lowering the pickups will also change the tone, and not just by being lower in volume. Ick.

I still don't understand why a volume pedal can't be used? Or maybe even set the amp for the Lakland and use a boost pedal for the others? Both solutions are cheap and far better IMHO that taking a bass out of it's optimal specs.
 
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Grateful said:
Umm, lowering the pickups will also change the tone, and not just by being lower in volume. Ick.

I still don't understand why a volume pedal can't be used? Or maybe even set the amp for the Lakland and use a boost pedal for the others? Both solutions are cheap and far better IMHO that taking a bass out of it's optimal specs.
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Your right, lowering the p/u's will alter the tone a little. Not like loosing the gain off of the volume pot though. Volume pedals can drasticlly change tone. I've never used one that didn't change the tone. Anything you put in the signal chain will alter tone. Lowering the p/u's will decrease volume, and with some, a little goes a long way without changing the tone too drastic, if even noticable.
 
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