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Language Snobber on TB

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#83
mjolnir said:
That may be, but at least I'll have the fortune of being understood when I really have something to say. And don't be surprised when you and those who think as you do "develop" our language right back into it's original form...

...A bunch of grunts and hoots accompanied by random thrusts with a pointy stick. :D
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lol, that is probably true and quite funny
 
#84
namraj said:
lol, that achully sounds quite fun, i'm really not a fan of patriotism or stereo types. have you seen BORAT? very funny film, that man (who btw is a british comedian not a asian presenter (sorry to point that out if you knew but some people don't))

but back to the point, I think people are much too up tight about keeping language pure, let it develop because its not going to stop just because you don't like it, embrace it.
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Just because you're not a fan of patriotism or stereotypes doesn't mean that they don't exist or that you should disregard the intent of his comment to you. The man isn't a film; he simply made the film.

"Pure" is a loaded term and connotes something far different than what seems to be offered here by so many others. Either you're using it because you understand what the "pure" form of the language looks like and choose not to use it, or you are hoping to suggest that those who regard the language as "pure" ,or should only be used "purely," are elitist traditionalists that are off to pasture. "Embrace it," you say. Many of us have also asked you the same, though I wonder if your advice comes with too many hints of laissez-faire "nonintervention"/"fatalism" (i.e., "There's nothing you can do to stop it; So, why fight it?")

Language is only as adequate for relational communication as the people who are using it. It's a tool that we, relationally challenged and altogether imperfect humans, use to communicate with one another. We're just trying to understand you and your position and having a difficult go at it.
 
#87
Benjamin Strange said:
Just to dig into your brain a little bit: what do you think of ebonics? There was a push a few years ago to actually legitimize it, which was roundly criticized and eventually dropped. Even those who could be considered to speak ebonics are embarrassed by the term.

Now, I live in New Orleans, which is predominantly populated by black people, and is also know for having some rather colorful dialects. I talk with people of all colors and all walks of life, but some of my fellow New Orleanians are completely unintelligible to me. I personally think that some of these people who speak in very thick accents/slang/mushmouth/ebonics (or whatever you want to call it) refuse to speak properly even though they can, just to mess with me. Some of my black friends down here speak quite a bit differently to me than they do to their black friends. Is it laziness or is it simply adapting to make oneself better understood? Methinks it's important for the speaker to make themselves understood to the audience, not the other way around.
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with the case of ebonics its not only a matter of understanding but identity. The black community in New Orleans clearly like the connection it brings them to eachother, just like my swedish relatives that speak swedish to eachother when not in the company of non-swedish people, even tho english is their first language (born and bred brits moved to and became citizens of sweden). its because it connects them to eachother and makes them as a group different from the british relatives, but different in a interesting originality way rather than a segregating way.
 
#88
Rattman said:
Right on the money!! The OP is kinda full of himself as evidenced by such a long, silly tirade of questionable merit. Couldn't we all just argue about Global Warming or some other rather beat-to-death subject? But promoting the "future" of shortening English words? Spelling them 'phonetically' because one is not to "be bothered" with correct spelling? Utter nonsense!! .. :eyebrow:
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not sure that's a fair comment, but w/e, also my incorrect spelling isn't lazyness it is an inability to spell and an effort to make it understandable al the same.
 
#89
bassybill said:
It's not a question of snobbery at all. Some people can write well, some cannot. We can't all be clever. :p
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thats my point, i don't mind people writing correctly at all, in fact if you have the time and the effort please do, what i dislike is people being attacked because of their bad spelling, or grammar, particually if its clearly just because the attacker doesn't like the point made in the post.
 
#93
F41|!

There's the l33tspeak translation of Maki's poster texts.

Here's a l33tspeak translator page link in the interest of improving the ability of everyone to communicate without hurting our eyes :D

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#94
namraj said:
thats my point, i don't mind people writing correctly at all, in fact if you have the time and the effort please do, what i dislike is people being attacked because of their bad spelling, or grammar, particually if its clearly just because the attacker doesn't like the point made in the post.
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I've seen a few unnecessary borderline ad hominems already. Not awesome.
 
#99
namraj said:
even people with immaculate english can be misunderstood.
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If you refer back to my earlier post referencing the lack of nonverbal clues on a forum, it also reinforces the comments made by others about the burden being on the poster/speaker/writer to make themselves understood. By refusing to use the accepted paradigm of language you unnecessarily increase the chances of being misunderstood.
 
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