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Language Snobber on TB
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I'm not sure I agree, i'm pretty sure I havn't had any responses saying "i don't understand" or answering their misunderstanding, where as i have seen many very well written posts being misunderstood, i think by using a rich vocab you increase your chance of being misunderstood should we discourage this as well.
Benjamin Strange
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You've just shot yourself in the foot right there. English, and the proper usage of it, is what connects us - that's part of our understanding and identity. You are purposely trying to ostracize yourself from a community of bassists who generally choose to use proper grammar, and yet you chide us for being uptight about it. Think about it - what if I, as a white man, were to walk around New Orleans speaking ebonics? I think it would be rather insulting to the the community, both to blacks and to whites. Why? Because both group realize that it's not proper english, and my speaking it reveals the ridiculousness of it. Accents are one thing - choosing to be lazy, both in speech and in writing, is insulting to all of us who claim to be english speakers.
and at now 103 posts this is by no means a failed thread considering i only started it about 2 hours ago. and its done exactly what i wanted (stopped me being bord) and opened an interesting discussion, even if i am the only one on my side
It's bored, and let me see what I can muster up here. Oh yes. Here we go.
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I'm overly apologetic for lots of things, but I quoted you referring to other people making attacks on you and others for improper grammar, spelling, etc. in an effort to agree with that particular statement, not your overall argument.
I also try and use those things (grammar, spelling) to help avoid miscommunication. I read my posts before I submit them and love that Firefox has a built-in "spell checker" that points out misspelled words as you type. If you have trouble with some words, I would encourage you to download and use it. It's really helpful. I consider myself to be a great speller but have many "brain farts" throughout that day and Firefox helps.
Resources such as dictionaries allow you to look up a word you might not comprehend (assuming it's spelled reasonably close to the actual spelling) plus context clues often give a reader a grasp of the meaning of the word. Using a rich vocabulary can give additional nuance and clarity (though English pales in comparison to some other languages as far as the variety and level of nuance available). I wasn't aware that expanding one's vocabulary was a bad thing.
Txtspeak and/or l33tspeak don't have the similar resources available. There's a place for them in certain situations, but they're by no means the standard paradigm in this forum judging from what I've read since I joined and the responses in this thread. If I was on a gamers' forum or IM or text messaging on a phone without a keyboard they'd be appropriate.
You made an earlier post about the language being allowed to "develop", and I responded to that as well. I'm not going to be on again until tomorrow morning, so don't take the lack of a prompt response the wrong way.
I don't know about your Swedish relatives, but I use Icelandic
with my Icelandic speaking relatives so that I can improve
my vocabulary and grammar, rather than have to apologize for it.
So you are telling me that you suffer from dyslexia or another
language or cognitive dysfunction that limits your ability to
read and write legibly? Pardon me if, based on some of your
other posts (which have been just fine by the way), I don't buy that.
Agreed. Ad Hominem attacks, so common on internet
forums, are forbidden here.
So is trolling, and I think this has gotten to that point.
This forum is an excellent forum - and some of the reasons it
is - is because we encourage free exchange of ideas and communication.
We have, as a group, consistently encouraged our members to express
themselves thoughtfully and courteously. And yes, we tend to chide new
members who don't understand that.
If you are unable to communicate effectively in English (and many
of our foreign members do not speak English as a first
language) we can be quite understanding and tolerant. On the other
hand, if you are unwilling to do so, I can only suggest you might
be happier on some other forum where the cultural norms and group
dynamics are more to your personal liking.
Let's face it: coming in as the new guy with very little profile,
using 'l337 sp34k' 'u r nt' going t0' get much respect. Then
you post a rant to complain that you are upset about a forum
you chose to join and whose subleties you don't bother
to learn or observe. Then, when you find that the overwhelming opinion
is that we don't really think much of your continued bastardization of the
written word, you want to debate the point that it perfectly 'ok' and we
should 'embrace it'.
To me, it's kind of like 'pron'*. It's ok, but not ok here.
Pardon me, I have to regurgitate, such obstreperousness
upsets my stomach.
there actually are many internet based resources as well as books about this, as well as slang dictionaries
The Mighty Thor has spoken, and gosh dernit, he brings up a lot of good points...
Leave the pointy stick at home for this fight, sonny boy, he's got a really big hammer.
Leave the pointy stick at home for this fight, sonny boy, he's got a really big hammer.
see i'd have said it was you who just shot yourself in the foot, do you not think you have the right to use the same partois as black people and not be frowned upon because of it, would you frown upon a black person using a typicly white partois such as old school posh style "damn and blast". identity is not only about being part of a group but being an indervidual with in that group, I am part of the comunity of bass players, what connects me to you guys is my love and ability on my choosen instrument, what makes me indervidual is my love for obscure electro and latin music as well as my own partois that has evolved from my frequent keyboard use which however gets frequently attacked by people who think they are better than me because they speak good english.
but dw i don't form bad opinions of people, only indifference and good opinions.
That about puts a lid on it right there.
frankly cos ur not interested dusn't mean no one else wants to discuss this. if you think it is a waste of your time stop responding, certainly with completely useless and negative posts.
The lack of grammar, capitalization and spelling, prevented me from understanding what you're saying.
If your grammar sucks it might be less of a problem to whoever is reading your posts if his/her mother language is english, but if yours isnt and as a plus you're selftaught, just like me, it is harder to understand.
Actually, considering Maki is an English teacher, his opinion may add quite a bit to this discussion if only you asked him nicely.
i've never been tested but it would make sense, my brother suffers from dyslexia, and i did get held back a year in year 2 because of my poor english and presentation skills, and i have spent alot of time trying to improve that, which is another reason i find it distressing to be attacked about it.
also i'm not such a newbie
and offtopic are you achully the KGB bassist, or more to the point is the KGB you play with the Ska/punk band that play fortune and fame and lover undercover?
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